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[-] dogsoahC@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago

Both egoism and altruism are human nature. We are capable of both (for the most part). Currently, we have a socioeconomic system that rewards and encourages primarily the former. Why not try it the other way and see where that brings us?

[-] save_the_humans@leminal.space 4 points 1 month ago

I'd like to point out the viability of cooperatives to accomplish this. A co-op is defined by the seven Rochdale Principles. Among those is open and voluntary membership, democratic member control, cooperation among cooperatives, and concern for community.

Its a stateless form of socialism that gives workers ownership to the means of production and doesnt have to necessarily negate private ownership. They can simply be incentivized by the state similar to how tax breaks and subsidies currently work or by providing workers the framework for which to purchase a company in the case of failure (like after the 2008 financial crash - when competition, greed, and capitalism failed).

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Why would they be incentivized by the state that exists to uphold capitalism? Read state and revolution.

[-] save_the_humans@leminal.space 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just what ive decided might be the best, or quickest, path to achievement. Wishful thinking, idealist, idea worth spreading. I see cooperatives as a form of peaceful revolution, but how best to achieve a cooperative economy when so few are aware of what it means? One way, I suppose, is for elected officials to advocate for it. Its hard but not impossible to imagine. I suppose there are multiple steps in between that would make that more tangible, and one of those is awareness. There's already a lot of us in support of socialist ideas where one of the biggest criticisms is for a planned economy, so why not advocate for a stateless form of socialism that expands, rather than possibly, or arguably, restricts, individual and collective freedoms?

Was Lenin aware of cooperatives when he wrote the state and revolution? Its not a theoretical idea. Its already a proven and successful form of enterprise. Why do some of our representatives advocate for workers unions when their existence goes against capitalist exploitation of workers? Seems totally possible to advocate for worker cooperatives in a similar vein.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There’s already a lot of us in support of socialist ideas where one of the biggest criticisms is for a planned economy

Planned economies are good actually, there is a reason semi-feudal russia was able to go to space in 40 years after the revolution, while beating off imperial superpowers like Germany and Britain.

Was Lenin aware of cooperatives when he wrote the state and revolution? Its not a theoretical idea.

Yes lol: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/kropotkin-peter/1917/a-meeting.html

There can be no such thing as peaceful revolution, if your political movement is getting anywhere the bourgeoisie will send their dogs to destroy it, and it will be violent. You must only look to history to see how easily the mask of civility slips away and the inhuman, bloodthirsty face of capital is revealed.

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[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I wonder how well a system would work where you get more money, the more you help people/help solve problems (with problems i mean like pollution or something)

[-] dogsoahC@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

I don't think money should be an incentive at all, in the long run.

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 month ago

My response is always is it not human nature for many to be violent towards others and yet few would say that's ok. The answer is simple, humans are fundementally more then their base instincts and desires. If humanity were nothing more then animals then society as we know it would have never formed.

[-] TgxxNitro@reddthat.com 9 points 1 month ago

Based response, even though I wouldn't say I'm a communist, more social democratic

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[-] Hammocks4All@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Exactly. Our ability to use language, create culture, abstract ideas and concepts and step outside of them are the ingredients that allow us to transcend our evolutionary instincts and urges, and that’s exactly what we should do when building a society and culture.

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 12 points 1 month ago

There is no such thing as human nature only human habit

[-] Kacarott@aussie.zone 11 points 1 month ago

I'm currently reading a book which argues that "most people, deep down, are actually pretty decent". It's really good, highly recommend to anyone. It's called "Human Kind" by Rutger Bregman

[-] Hammocks4All@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Game theorists in shambles

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