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Self-Hosted AI is pretty darn cool (lemmy.world)
submitted 4 months ago by chagall@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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I don't consider myself very technical. I've never taken a computer science course and don't know python. I've learned some things like Linux, the command line, docker and networking/pfSense because I value my privacy. My point is that anyone can do this, even if you aren't technical.

I tried both LM Studio and Ollama. I prefer Ollama. Then you download models and use them to have your own private, personal GPT. I access it both on my local machine through the command line but I also installed Open WebUI in a docker container so I can access it on any device on my local network (I don't expose services to the internet).

Having a private ai/gpt is pretty cool. You can download and test new models. And it is private. Yes, there are ethical concerns about how the model got the training. I'm not minimizing those concerns. But if you want your own AI/GPT assistant, give it a try. I set it up in a couple of hours, and as I said... I'm not even that technical.

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[-] EonNShadow@pawb.social 178 points 4 months ago

"learned some things like Linux, command line, docker, and networking/pfsense" "I don't consider myself technical"

Don't sell yourself short, I work in IT and have colleagues on our helpdesk who would struggle endlessly with those concepts.

I hereby dub you a tech person, like it or not, those skills can and do pay the bills.

[-] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago

Now that you've dubbed OP a tech person.....

Hey OP, can you help me fix my printer? It's only printing "RED RUM RED RUM" for some reason.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 months ago

Have you tried giving it red rum?

Oh, and make sure you hold it out with the insides of your arms exposed, it'll feel less threatening that way.

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[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 44 points 4 months ago

It is done.

[-] chagall@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

This made me smile. Thank you. The grass is always greener and I sometimes daydream of working in IT instead of healthcare. Maybe someday.

[-] deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev 14 points 4 months ago

Nah dont.

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

Healthcare is pretty rough, I'd be willing to bet that the grass actually is greener in this case.

[-] deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I am actually considering switching to healthcare (been a professional programmer)

I've had a burnout: I wish it was due caring for people in need instead of a stupid deadline.

Besides, you can always do IT as a hobby/for free. Harder with healthcare, except maybe volunteering

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[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

hahahaha best advice ever.

[-] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 4 points 4 months ago

Join us. We have cookies (well at least until the end of our sessions)!

[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 11 points 4 months ago

Thank you for this. I consider myself technical and those words felt like a punch in the gut.

[-] chagall@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

I'm sorry if I offended. I can't code or understand existing code and have always felt that technical people code. I guess I should expand my definition. Again, sorry that my words felt like a punch in the gut... wasn't my intention at all.

[-] AlexanderESmith@social.alexanderesmith.com 14 points 4 months ago

I've been in my field for 21 years. I make really good money, and have high confidence in my hard-earned skillset. I focus on Cloud Infrastructure and general Linux administration, but I code in a handful of languages to facilitate automation (because I'm lazy). I consider myself extremely well versed in technology in general.

... Then I watch a YouTube video where some guy hand-solders a motherboard for his custom-designed keyboard, and decides it's easier to - instead of adapt someone else's - write his own driver from scratch, then open-sources everything from the PCB, to the CAD files he used to print the case, to the driver itself. Then he uploads the video, titled "Quick weekend project because I couldn't find the keyboard layout I wanted on Amazon", and forgets about the whole thing.

In that moment, I feel like a complete, no-nothing idiot.

A person with a doctorate in astrophysics isn't not-a-doctor because they don't know how to do brain surgery. Hell, a doctor who is a surgeon isn't not-those-things because he isn't - specifically - a brain surgeon.

Don't sell yourself short because other people do things you don't (yet, or even ever). You're a technical person.

[-] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 11 points 4 months ago

It depends heavily on what you do and what you're comparing yourself against. I've been making a living with IT for nearly 20 years and I still don't consider myself to be an expert on anything, but it's a really wide field and what I've learned that the things I consider 'easy' or 'simple' (mostly with linux servers) are surprisingly difficult for people who'd (for example) wipe the floor with me if we competed on planning and setting up an server infrastructure or build enterprise networks.

And of course I've also met the other end of spectrum. People who claim to be 'experts' or 'senior techs' at something are so incompetent on their tasks or their field of knowledge is so ridiculously narrow that I wouldn't trust them with anything above first tier helpdesk if even that. And the sad part is that those 'experts' often make way more money than me because they happened to score a job on some big IT company and their hours are billed accordingly.

And then there's the whole other can of worms on a forums like this where 'technical people' range from someone who can install a operating system by following instructions to the guys who write assembly code to some obscure old hardware just for the fun of it.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 10 points 4 months ago

This gave me confidence as well, thank you 😆

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 4 months ago

I was just talking to a member of my devops team and I was talking about this exact thing and they said "I didn't know you could attach a GPU to a container". So, yup, just stay on top of this stuff at home and you'll do fine

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[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 months ago

With how low the average person is with tech skills, it's very easy to be top 10%.

[-] DavidGarcia@feddit.nl 48 points 4 months ago

people need to take a step back and realize we have the capability to trap quasi-omnipotent quasi-demons in our personal computers

yeah they lie a lot and rarely do what you want them to, but that's just what demons do

And it's all powered by some dark crystals created with light magic that slowly poison the planet

that's some arcane bullshit

[-] LastoftheDinosaurs@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago

How long can something like that really last, though? I wish we had a better idea of the timeline, before the quasi-demons start freelancing lol

[-] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 months ago

Uncensored models are so much better, too. chatGPT is like one of those plastic children's toy hammers vs real models are titanium hammers

[-] patrick@lemmy.jackson.dev 6 points 4 months ago

Together.ai has a number of uncensored models too. I’ve found that those are so cheap that it’s not worth trying to self just models unless you really need more privacy.

[-] HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I like it too. My only issue is ollama's lack of intel support. I have been looking at issue 1590 on their GitHub. For now I have a 1050ti in a cardboard box PC with other hardware being 10+ years old and a mixed set of RAM totalling 12G. It also has a 100Mbit nic, so I can't take advantage of full internet speed when downloading models. The worst part is they can support intel, but haven't merged the solution because of an issue with the windows intel drivers. Linux is fine but I can 't have it. I wasn't planning to rant, but I already typed it so... enjoy?

[-] chagall@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, I have an NVDIA GPU and it is magic. The best part is when you are using Ollama, open a second terminal window and enter the command, watch -n 0.5 nvidia-smi and you can see your GPU usage go up and down in real-time as you ask the GPT questions. Pretty cool.

Hopefully they get the ARC folks up and running soon.

[-] BlueKey@kbin.run 3 points 4 months ago

You can also achieve this with nvtop and have a pretty TUI (terminal UI).

[-] klopstock@lemmy.specksick.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There is ipex-llm from Intel which you can use with your intel IGPU/GPU/CPU for llms which also supports ollama.

[-] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago

Have you found much practical use for small models yet? I love the idea that even the 1.1B tinyllama model can run on my phone, but haven't found much real world use for it yet. Llama3 8b feels better, but not much better for even emails as it's a bit dumb

[-] chagall@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I use my phone all the time, but I just use a wireguard VPN to tunnel into my home container of Open WebUI. Then I can interact with my desktop machine using a NVIDIA gpu. I'm currently testing mistral-nemo. It's pretty great but it gets a bit verbose sometimes.

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

I am also using open webui. Most LLMs are too verbose for me, so I created a model in open-webui with system prompt "Do not repeat the questions. Avoid giving lists as answers. Do not summarize the answer at the end. If asked a follow-up question, respond with only new information, do not repeat previously stated information." and named it No Nonsense.

[-] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 3 points 4 months ago

for some reason chatgpt responds well to “no yapping”

[-] chagall@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

That's really smart. I just found out about fabric yesterday and it is helping me with things like what you stated. Prompt engineering is a huge thing.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 9 points 4 months ago

It's a much smaller scale but I use a Coral TPU with CodeProject AI to detect when people or animals are in front of my house. Works well with Blue Iris (NVR software for security cameras). I like it. That's all the self-hosted AI I've got for now.

[-] BlackLaZoR@kbin.run 8 points 4 months ago

I access it both on my local machine through the command line

You really don't have to - There's GPT4ALL designed for normal users with very simple GUI

Also, with minimal command line knowledge you can install InvokeAI - probably the best UX for image generating AI on the market. Works both on Linux and Windows

[-] chagall@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

It's so great that there is so much ongoing development of these types of tools out there. I'm currently using openweb ui as my GUI but I'll give your suggestion a try next week. I haven't figured out a use case for stable diffusion except for creating new content for the shitposting community on lemmy lol. But if you have any ideas, please let me know... I'd love to test it out if I have a good use case.

[-] BlackLaZoR@kbin.run 3 points 4 months ago

But if you have any ideas

Both my avatar and channel cover are made with AI models - so this is a good start.

IMO the biggest potential is indie game dev - AI image generation is amazing for static backgrounds, character design, and with certain loras it absolutely shreds pixelart - I even saw entire workflows for building pixelart animations (I think it was for ComfyUi tho).

Also local image models are uncensored so... porn XD

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[-] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago

What kinds of specs do you need to run it well? I've got a laptop with a 3070.

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[-] dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago

Isn't this using a lot of computing power?

[-] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 months ago

Not really, it uses some GPU power when it's actively generating a response, but otherwise it just sits idle.

[-] Toribor@corndog.social 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I've been testing Ollama in Docker/WSL with the idea that if I like it I'll eventually move my GPU into my home server and get an upgrade for my gaming pc. When you run a model it has to load the whole thing into VRAM. I use the 8gb models so it takes 20-40 seconds to load the model and then each response is really fast after that and the GPU hit is pretty small. After I think five minutes by default it will unload the model to free up VRAM.

Basically this means that you either need to wait a bit for the model to warm up or you need to extend that timeout so that it stays warm longer. That means that I cannot really use my GPU for anything else while the LLM is loaded.

I haven't tracked power usage, but besides the VRAM requirements it doesn't seem too intensive on resources, but maybe I just haven't done anything complex enough yet.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

you hear that said about AI because companies are desperately throwing more and more resources at it to get 0.3% better results, and people are collectively running an insane amount of prompts all the time.

but on a personal level it's not really any different from any other computations, people render videos all the time and no one complains about the resource usage from that, because companies aren't trying to sell bloated video rendering services to gardening businesses.

[-] CallMeButtLove@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Is there a way to host an LLM in a docker container on my home server but still leverage the GPU on my main PC?

[-] azl 3 points 4 months ago

You would need to run the LLM on the system that has the GPU (your main PC). The front-end (typically a WebUI) could run in a docker container and make API calls to your LLM system. Unfortunately that requires the model to always be loaded in the VRAM on your main PC, severely reducing what you can do with that computer, GPU-wise.

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[-] chip@feddit.rocks 3 points 4 months ago

I also recently got into selfhosting LLM. Having an AMD card meant I had to scourge for solutions since everything expects to have CUDA suppport which means having Nvidia cards. Koboldcpp has a fork with ROCM support which works on my machine, so I'm content with that for now.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago

Wasnt there a solution by AMD or someone close to them implementing a translation of CUDA for AMD hardware?

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

AMD asked them to shut it down. So the guy is going to go back to the pre-AMD release and work independently from there.

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

I am going to be buying a monster high end machine and I want to do all the AI stuff on it.

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