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Felt inspired. Be gentle, please make any salty comments or downvotes in comic form.

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[–] simple@lemm.ee 27 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

please make any salty comments or downvotes in comic form.

It took all of my art skills to make this

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

I can actually read this one. Thanks.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml -2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

+1, really like it. So downvotes are for things that suck to a person? That's where my confusion comes from, what are people using the downvote for that's so prevalent it's sacred and needs to be protected? A downvote is one level below a report for me basically, for content that's gone off the rails or levels on breaking a rule (like harassment etc). I wouldn't want reports to be anonymous so they're not abused, just like downvotes. If we're using the vote system for an opinion based algorithm I could understand why people want it private but that's not it's purpose.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

In an ideal world a downvote would be used sparingly but people literally downvote things they don't like all the time. I downvote when I see something off-topic or shouldn't belong here, but I can't say the same for most of the platform.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I think it is for the algorithm - people often sort by hot or top, so voting and commenting increases the visibility. Downvotes decrease the visibility.

[–] macgyver@federation.red 1 points 11 months ago

In your example do moderators not exist?

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's hard to read, due to low contrast. I like the content though.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Thank you, I'll probably touch it up later with actual inserted text fields. Running out of my available free time for the day but it was hot off the press and wanted to get it out there while it was still relevant lol.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Im not sure if I agree. All it takes is one weirdo who now knows you down-voted their one link/discussion/comment and now you have someone stalking you. At least with the current system its not explicit, so only the truly dedicated can find that out.

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The truly dedicated can: spin up their own instance, host a bunch of content, wait for you to downvote, then check the logs. Much work to find someone to stalk :)

Whereas I just select someone at random to stalk. Like @Track_Shovel @Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net They're a dirty miner! Ewwwww. ;)

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey! I was policing the dirty miners, and telling them not to fuck up my soil! THERE'S A DIFFERENCE!

[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

I'm mostly just really impressed that the summon worked across at least three instances. I'm lemmy.ca, this post is on lemmy.world, and you're probably reading and replying on slrpnk.net -- maybe this lemmy federation thing is actually working haha :)

You keep those dirty miners in line! ;)

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Yep takes a bit of work ATM and doesn't seem worth it. At least right now. I would imagine having years worth of data could be worth money to advertisers. (reddit...etc)

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

On kbin all votes are public and you can view who down voted or upvoted someone as if it was like Facebook. I've seen people try to call out others for down voting something on there. Mbin is a fork and has the same functionality.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

You're asking to engage and interact with a public space (voting is interacting) which defines and creates the tone with complete anonymity. That's not how a conversation or public debate works and is only new to the internet. I think it's been a negative (if we are suppose to view a downvote as only off-topic or spam). No spam bot would bother stalking you, anyone else would be outed with 2 clicks and can be blocked or probably better reported so they're not stalking others on the platform who do comment with their username attached. This is outing the abusers, who would abuse regardless if it's you or the OP.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Im again not sure I agree.

Anonymity online, much like secret ballots in ancient Greece and other societies, is designed to protect individuals from harassment and bias, encouraging a more diverse participation. Downvoting isn't just for spam but also reflects disagreement, and removing anonymity could discourage honest expression. Instead of exposing users, which risks harm, improving moderation and reporting tools is a more balanced approach.

And one of my posts is literally being used as an example by the larger community.

[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ok so we are to the crux of the argument, "What is a Downvote?" I believe that the "downvote" is being abused as the lowest form of comment disagreement. I don't care to ponder on why someone clicks to disagree with absolutely no other input. I would rather the scores be completely removed if this is a tinder style opinion based polling voting system. I strongly believe people using downvotes for disagreement harms honest expression more than a thought out comment someone can actually understand without guessing.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Okay, sorry, I attempted to draw this as a comic on my phone but it didn't go well, so I settled for a single meme frame instead. I thought this was hilarious, but I guess the joke didn't get through this way. I'll think about whether I should draw it in hand and post again.

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

I can't even read the first bit. It's not salty if it's true.