I was owed 30 cents or something by a TelCo about 20 years ago. So they sent me an invoice stating the debt every month. I asked them if they can just cut me a cheque or something and they said they wouldn’t for such a small amount.

So I received a -30c payable invoice monthly for years until the company went out of business.

When our "final balance" from the landlord (late fee + "repairs") went to collections I asked for it, got all the documents, and forwarded it to my attorney along with everything else.

Long story short they settled out of court, then didn't fulfill the settlement contract (namely the bit about removing the erroneous reports against my credit), then wound up getting fined 50 grand by my local government.

It's actually what you're supposed to do if the company calling you to collect isn't the same company that you originally owed money to.

That is legit indeed. But old sovcit here is doing sovcit shit.

It doesn't work as well with cars.

Typically, the car title will show if there was a loan used to buy it, so it is already documented with the state as part of showing ownership. At that point, the owner of the car loan doesn't have to talk to the owner of the car to repossess the car, they just need to talk to the state to transfer ownership.

They're all someone trying to wiggle out indeed.

Avoiding debt is common and easy to understand. The complicated stuff -- claiming to be natives, or claiming that the case of the name is not the person, or claiming stuff about no contracts existing, etc. -- you gotta study some to understand any of it, and of course there's no point in learning those details.

That's like 80% of what being a sovereign citizen is. The other 20% is arguing about the difference between driving and traveling.

Ohh, and years of study and practice with protractors to get the exact right 45.0467 degree angle when writing random words that invalidates contracts.

They call back and say "I do not consent to you hanging up on me", I bet.

Sovcits believe that when you are born the government sets up a secret trust worth 2 million dollars and you can use that trust to pay money if you send all sorts of stupid correspondence to your creditors that magically allows them to bill the mysterious trust.

They don't know what any of those words mean.

To them it's a magic spell in an arcane tongue.

Half probably do and are riding the scam train, the other half...I'm not sure what they think anymore. Imagine all that brain power used to create these logic circles that could be used constructively instead. I'm betting some of the first half are probably selling some how-to materials to the other half...