Do not waste your vote
this post was submitted on 06 Oct 2024
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I'm not wasting my vote. But I'm not voting for Jill Stein either. I'm voting for Rachele Fruit, Socialist Workers Party :)
Wait, you wrote that whole diatribe and didn't even convince yourself to vote for Jill Stein? Why did you mention her so many times and specifically end it with the sentence, "Vote Jill Stein"? Why not "Vote 3rd Party"? Of course it'd be most accurate to change it to "Vote Trump," because that's what your doing if you vote 3rd Party.
The “diatribe” wasn’t mine—it was from the article. Just because I share something doesn’t mean I completely agree with everything in it.
I found it interesting because it came from a socialist website, yet they were backing Jill Stein instead of a true socialist candidate.
At the end of the day, I believe people should educate themselves and vote for whoever aligns with their beliefs, regardless of party affiliation.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
Viable being the most important and most problematic word there. Jill Stein is clearly Putin's plaything and I've never heard of whoever you said you support, which means they're clearly not viable. How could voting for the only person that can beat him be helping Trump win, indirectly or otherwise?
If more people voted third party, then they could beat Trump. I'm not fucking voting for Harris just because YOU are afraid of Trump.
I don't like Harris. I don't like Trump. So I'm not voting for them. As is my right. I'm voting socialist. Proudly.
"I'm not voting for Trump, I'm voting for Trump" - u/SocialistMormonSatanist
That's not what I said though. Try again.
I'm not concerned with what you said, I'm concerned with the consequences of what you said. And the consequences are you helping elect a self-described dictator! Congrats.
I'm not voting for him. So try again. If I wanted to help him, I'd vote for him, right? Wouldn't that be the best way to help him? I didn't write the article.
Did you write the author and publisher of the piece and voice your concerns to them? The ones who actually produce such outlandish, unfathomable articles that even dare to mention not voting for Harris!! OMG!! The horror! People having choice! OMG whatever will we do?! We can't go around giving people choices, right?! RIGHT?!
If I wanted to help him, I'd vote for him, right?
Or you could vote for the spoiler candidate, like you advocate. There's a reason they're called that y'know.
Of course you've got choices, you've got the choice to vote for a spoiler candidate just like you've got the choice to run naked through the woods covered in honey and berry jam. That doesn't make it a good choice. Did you write the creator of first-past-the-post elections and voice your concerns to them?
I'm not advocating anything. I didn't write the article. Have you emailed the writer of the piece nad let them know how terrible of a person you think they are for what they are advocating?
I'm not voting for Stein.
Here's the thing. And I want you to read it very clearly, so I am going to bold it for you: I'm not going to fucking vote for Harris. No matter how mad you get.
Cool?
Lolol I'm not the one writing in all caps and lots of *?!*s, are you cool?
I'm totally cool. You are the one crying because I advocate people having a choice. Keep crying. I'll keep posting. Thank you! :)
Lol, you just said you're not advocating anything, it's almost like you don't actually have an argument or any concrete values at all...trolls gonna troll I guess, have fun under your bridge!
Keep crying. I'll keep posting. Thank you!!
And helping elect dictators, thank you!!!
Oh well. I guess democrats shouldn't be such assholes to people when there are disagreements with them. Then maybe more people would choose to go with them rather than vote third party. :)
And I'm not scared of Trump.
That's how I know you're a troll who wants to elect him by splitting the progressive vote. ;)
Actually I think you are a MAGA troll, and I think that you are trying to sow doubt and suspicions. I actually think that YOU want Trump to be elected. So you're the troll and this is just part of your plan, comrade.
"I know you are but what am I" - u/SocialistMormonSatanist
"I hope Trump wins and until he does, I'm gonna just create chaos and doubt!" - PapaStevesy
Yeah that tracks lololol
Right? I mean, with you coming here to a Socialist sub, then accusing me of being a troll. Trying to make me think I am doing something wrong for not voting for Trump or Harris. What you're doing does track.
Yeah, I see what you're up to, comrade.
Look, here's the thing: if you want a socialist president, you're gonna need a revolution. If you want socialist policies, vote for viable candidates that push the window left. Primaries are a great time to push the platform left as Bernie showed. Generals not so much. I'm not scared of Trump, he's clearly happily uninformed about the whole process and is just in it for the con. He's gonna con suckers if he's elected again or not. It's the entirety of his supporters and allies of convenience who will use his greed and political disinterest to their gain to fully set back our society by a century or more, that's what leads me to reason.
If you are going to throw away a vote why even bother going to the polls? Just stay home and make some popcorn and watch a show or something. 3rd party can't win on a federal level at this point so it's wasted time and effort from just staying home.
The only thing wasted is the belief that we should just lie down and accept the two-party stranglehold choking out every hope for real change!
Staying home only lets the elites keep their power unchallenged, while throwing a vote for a third party sends a message that we won’t be puppets for their corrupt, corporate machine.
Every so-called “wasted” vote is another strike against their monopoly on power, and the true waste would be surrendering our voices without a fight!
I'm not voting for Jill Stein, but I am proudly voting Socialist Workers Party.
The only thing that's wasted is engagement when it comes to you. All you can do is argue strawmen. And keep banging the drum on your long debunked duopoly talking point.
Every so called wasted vote, is mathematically and statistically wasted. Skewing the election more in favor of the fascists at a national level. All while their concerns are still ignored. As they been for the last 2.5 centuries.
And keep banging the drum on your long debunked duopoly talking point.
Not debunked. It's just that YOU don't like it.
Guess what? I'm not the only one voting third party and denying the Duopoly a vote, comrade.
I support your rights to your opinion. I just don't share that opinion. :)
I don't like the Electoral College and first pass the post voting you're right. But it is debunked. There is no duopoly. Mathematically because of first past the post voting and electoral College I'll be there again no chance of third parties having a positive impact on a national election like the presidency. And you can't prove otherwise. That's all that matters.
You're definitely entitled to your opinions. But I'm happily voting for third party this election.
They do say ignorance is bliss. So I believe you.
Ignorance is bliss—for the duopoly! They’re counting on people like you to stay blind and complacent while they keep rigging the game. But when we wake up and refuse to play along, their little paradise of control comes crashing down.
Enjoy your bliss while it lasts—it’s exactly what keeps them in power!
More mask-off than your usual MAGA posting. Good to see you're still cosplaying in the comments, I guess.
I didn't write the article. Were you under the impression I did? And did you notice that it said vote against TRUMP and Harris? Not really MAGA if it's talking about voting against Trump, friend.
Actually I think you're the one who's MAGA. You come here to sow doubt, discontent, accusations. Come on, you know you are trying to get people confused so Trump wins. Admit it.
You're transparent. People call you out for it, then you get upset and contrive a, "no, you," as a response.
What you write here is not much different from your contrived "voting Harris is taking votes from viable third parties," completely ignoring the definition of "viable."
No, actually this is all you, friend. You are sowing discontent and trying to make people suspicious of each other. I totally see what you are doing. You are trying to win this for Trump.
Every vote for Harris is stealing a vote from third-party candidates who represent real change. By sidelining those voices, you’re indirectly helping Trump win!
If you really want to avoid a Trump win, supporting a viable alternative outside the two-party system is the only way to push the conversation forward.
Wow, exactly as I wrote. Surprising. You claim to be old enough to vote but you behave like a stubborn preteen who knows they're wrong but desperately wants to win the argument because of wounded pride.
Unfortunate that you're so entrenched in MAGA, as it is a disgusting ideology.
Actually I'm not MAGA, because I'm not voting for Trump. You, however, are MAGA. You are a MAGA plant. Admit it. You're here trying to make people confused and angry.
I'm not voting for your guy, Trump. I know that makes you angry, but accept it. Thank you!
You have to ignore the definition of "confused" for that to even approach making sense. Just like you have to ignore the definition of "viable" in your other "no, you" responses.
Everyone can see what you are doing. The only person who is confused is you, believing that it is working.
So tell me, what's it like being a MAGA troll? Do you all sit around and like find out who has the personality type for trolling, or maybe one just for saying they are a democrat and pretending to hate Trump, or one specifically to accuse others.
How does that work? Or is it a random draw kinda thing?
Everyone can see what you are doing. The only person who is confused is you, believing that it is working.
Check out the name of the community you are in, comrade. Get the fuck outta here with your Trump-loving nonsense self. lmao
Fuck off, troll. You’re so blatantly obvious.
From the article: The US government is spending billions of American tax dollars to fund the Israeli state’s genocidal war on Gaza—at least $10 billion since the conflict began. Medical journal The Lancet estimates that the actual death toll in Gaza could be as many as 186,000 people, or higher. Both Harris and Trump are equally committed to continuing this mass slaughter, and millions of working and young people feel disgusted at being forced to choose between them.
That disgust is completely justified. Those billions of dollars going toward decimating entire bloodlines in Gaza should instead be feeding the 24 million households in the US who in 2022 reported that they didn’t have enough to eat. In their recent debate, Harris and Trump fell all over themselves trying to say they loved fracking the most, which is an utter crisis for the climate. Billionaires and corporations are backing both candidates, and they’ll be the real winners in November, not working people.
The Democrats are throwing LGBTQ rights in our faces to try and win our votes, while they’ve been in office during an enormous rollback of LGBTQ rights across the country that they’ve been ineffective at stopping.
We don’t have to vote for the lesser evil anymore—we don’t have to vote for imperialist, capitalist evil at all. Voting for the lesser evil hasn’t stopped Trump’s far-right politics from gaining support, in fact, the Democrats failing to do anything to meaningfully improve working peoples’ lives has made the right wing stronger and stronger.
Working and young people who want something better than these two options should vote for an independent, left anti-war candidate: Jill Stein. Stein is calling for universal healthcare, a $25 minimum wage, universal rent control, banning fracking, and ending existing wars. She even got arrested alongside anti-war protestors during the campus encampments last spring.
Recent polls show Stein ahead of Harris among Muslim voters in several battleground states, including Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin. More than half of Americans (61 percent) oppose the US sending weapons to Israel. If even a small fraction of those people registered a protest vote for Stein, it would send a crucial message that we won’t settle for the status quo any longer.
Every vote for Trump and Harris is a vote for endless war and corporate politics-as-usual. Every protest vote for independent left candidates is a vote pointing towards building a new working class party that doesn’t take a dime from billionaires and corporations, fights unapologetically for working people, and consistently stands with unions and social movements to win real change.
Voting on its own won’t be enough—there’s a lot more we need to do. But voting for an independent, anti-war candidate is a crucial first step. Vote Jill Stein.