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There was never a point in time where a single person could change even the majority of people's opinions.
Most change happened with 20% supporting, 20% opposing, and the rest not giving a shit and waiting to get behind whomever wins
Was there ever a time that this was the case?
Ask Martin Luther
I'm not sure the Catholic Church would agree that Martin Luther changed everyone's opinion.
It certainly changed their opinion of him
I'm not sure the whole arab or asian world would agree. They're still colonizing africa.
MLK definitely did not change everyone's opinion. A lot of people? Sure. Everyone? Absolutely not.
I said Martin Luther, not Martin Luther King
Ah that's my bad. My point still stands though. It's not like he was able to convince everyone to become Protestant.
But everyone’s opinion was changed.
Opinion of what exactly?
That was not a criterion of OP’s question. As such, it doesn’t really matter. Just that they were changed is the qualifier here.
If I were to guess, it at least changed their opinion of Martin Luther, even if they didn’t become protestants.
Yes.
The Pope has that power. Pretty much always has, but it was far more pronounced before universal literacy was a thing.
Not even the pope
I don't know that a screenshot of twitter is proof of anything, especially after the proliferation of AI.
But, go read about the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages. Even if I'm wrong in my opinion, you'll learn some new things.
Honestly I think it is wrong to compare modern day to anything over a few decades old. You can't hold Catholics responsible for things that happened centuries ago. You can only hold them to the now.
Also not all Catholics believe the same things.
No pope has ever had the power to change everyone's mind with a single word or speech. That's never been a thing.
Thomas payne's common sense didn't change everyone's mind.
and there are people today influencing how everybody thinks with tweets and memes.
language and information is evolving, and that is absolutely changing the landscape of how public opinion is affected.
Gaza is a great example.
Israeli has been bombing hospitals and schools and extrajudicially executing Palestinians for 50 years, but now that people can see that information and hear testimony from Palestinian journalists directly, they care.
I dunno man, i think a comedian just saved our democracy.
If he took that ride, western civ looks a lot more fucked right now.
China and Russia be looking at us like we're the menu.
That one came out of left field.
Trump was taking a premature victory lap, and hires a comedian to warm up the warm up the crowd, and the proceeded exactly like Trump wanted.
And then everyone suddenly wakes up and says wait, these hate spewing assholes are actually hate spewing assholes.
All because one comedian didn't use the code words.
Oh, I thought he meant Zelensky.
You are shrooming if you think the puerto rico garbage comment does anything but drive up voting in the south.
They know they're the only Real Americans, everyone else on the planet is garbage to them.
No, it won't change the minds of his base.
But there are people he wouldn't consider his base, that also tend to vote conservative, who were actually offended by some of those jokes. And then realized that hey, Trump and company are white nationalists, and that means that no minority will be safe.
It's a tiny minority of Trump supporters, but as close as this election could be, that's more than enough.
Now, Trump is planning on stealing the election anyway. Via disrupting or delaying certification of votes past December 11th, Which then means that there will be incomplete slates of electors, which means the election goes to the House, and each State gets one vote instead of the house itself voting.
They're going to try to use Section three of the 20th amendment.
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President-elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President-elect nor a Vice President-elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Fun times to live in...
Idk. Some kids in Enders game were able to do it
Yeah, and that's an extremely unrealistic science fiction book.
I’m aware
Are you two telling me getting into political arguments on internet forums is not gonna make me the ruler of the world??? I thought I was really getting somewhere here.
I get into political arguments on the internet all the time, and nobody cares. Enders Game definitely lied to me about how the world works.
Hype still sells and we still idolize people though. Businessmen such as Steve Jobs or (early) Elon Musk curate an image of themselves as a "genius", which leads to popularity of their products and influences trends and opinions in specific fields.
Really though, no single person did or invented anything alone. Every well-known and highly regarded scientist, inventor, or businessman built their work as a small increment on top of hundreds of predecessors. The Upright Thinkers by Leonard Mlodinow is a good pop-sci book that carries that point throughout.
Eh. One person could be influencing in the recent past…
Walter Cronkite, declared the Vietnam war unwinnable and “people “ say that changed Americans view on it.
Today, I agree there are too many voices and too many people have their “own realities” for one person to affect the national discourse.
I don’t think is aliens landed the majority of Americans would believe their own eyes if their news said it was fake.
Seems a bit of an exaggeration to say everyone. The population at the time of the revolution was around 2.5 million. Of that maybe 500,000 were the land owning white male "patriots" that would support the revolution and of those maybe half read or were influenced by Thomas Payne so around 250,000. We tend to attach a lot of significance after the fact to the American revolution, and Adam's, Payne etc. Since it spawned one of the greatest empires the world has ever known but at the time it was a relatively minor tax revolt.
this isn't even a matter of the world in general was smaller back then, France at that time had a population of 28 million. Payne would go on to have less success in convincing everyone there on his ideas because the scale is just so much more massive. Same with modern day.
Well good thing we have massive, well funded media campaigns!!
...aimed to create tension by creating artificial divides powered by half truths and all out lies.
What a time to be alive
Well, for the good, it's a hard get these days, but for the bad, all one has to do is look at Donald Trump as the lightning rod to finally push through Republican Southern Strategy 60 years after they first foisted it on the body politic
Too bad more people didn't have their minds changed by Paine's "Agrarian Justice". What a banger.
You are intense and insane
Edit: since people didn't get the reference, op used the lyric from the song the Schuyler sisters from Hamilton which this is a reference to.
Work!
Who the haail, is Thomas Payne? Max Payne's older brother?
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