It’s almost as if corporate media is biased towards corporations over workers 🤔
This is why the right (and the Enlightened Centrists (TM) ) get so flummoxed if you ask them just where IS this supposed "liberal media" I hear so much about?
It definitely is not ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, NPR, PBS....
where IS this supposed "liberal media" I hear so much about?
It definitely is not ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, NPR, PBS....
Yeah, it is. Liberal ≠ Left wing
Neoliberalism (which is the kind of liberalism practiced in the US) is a center right to right wing ideology.
Just because something is to the left of literal fascism doesn't mean it's left of center.
Neoliberal ≠ Left wing
FTFY
Same difference since today's liberals are Neoliberals.
Neoliberalism is a perversion of liberalism. It is not the evolution and certainly not the natural progression of liberal thought.
It is a excuse looking for a rationalization. An offshoot no normal liberal would approve of. They are like that weird stranger who thinks numbers will fix everything.
The liberties that original liberalism introduced are so basic that they're now taken for granted by all but the extreme Right.
The founding fathers were classic liberals and still most major them owned slaves and none of them would give them up during their own lifetime. While mostly very progressive for their time, they would be considered very conservative today.
You're right about one thing: Neoliberalism IS a perversion of liberalism and it's NOT natural. That doesn't change that it's the kind of liberalism that exists today and that "liberal" and "on the left" are objectively mutually exclusive.
It is a excuse looking for a rationalization. An offshoot no normal liberal would approve of. They are like that weird stranger who thinks numbers will fix everything.
That's how it was in the 80s/late 70s when Neoliberalism was pioneered by the likes of Reagan and Thatcher. Nowadays, both of them would be considered to the Left of most Democrats and yes, all liberals.
You're simply using the false definition of "anyone to the Left of Republicans" that billionaire-owned media have been drilling into your head in support of the false dichotomy of the two party system being absolute.
The biggest right wing party of Australia is called the Liberal Party and guess what? They're not the ones who are confused about what contemporary liberalism is.
Granted, the fact that Neoliberalism is inherently authoritarian, which is by definition illiberal on the other axis DOES add to the confusion, but on the left-right economic axis, Liberals are firmly to the right or they aren't liberals.
You might be thinking of social democrats rather than liberals tbh 🤷
Liberalism thought leads to concepts like social democracy. I get it is popular to shit on liberalism by the edge lords nowadays but it really doesn't makes sense. My personal opinion is the whole anti liberal thing is just Russian propaganda.
Other parties using words like liberal and perverting it doesn't prove anything. Need I remind you the Nazi called themselves Natural Socialist German Worker Party. So I guess we can't use socialist or worker rights anymore by this same logic.
You speak of falling for propaganda but the whole concept our country has been drifting right is an illusion. Our country was always right and designed to suppress liberalism from the start. It was always liberalism in name only and anti-liberal in practice.
Once you realize we have been gamed from the start and the country was designed by the rich for the rich the sooner you can drop the fantasy about our country drifting to the right.
In fact we have always been right and at moments in history paid lip service to the left. I totally get this frustrates you and it should. Shitting on liberalism doesn't solve anything as it is not the real problem.
Liberalism thought leads to concepts like social democracy
I covered the 1700s origins already. That's not what modern day liberalism is.
I get it is popular to shit on liberalism
Not really, no. There's always at least one salty liberal with delusions of comprehension like yourself throwing a hissy fit.
Most of the people who understand what liberalism in the 2020s actually is tend to avoid this kind of conversation because of how exhausting your insistence on nonsense is in the long run.
by the edge lords
Yeah, one of us is being overly histrionic and salty and it's not me 🤷
but it really doesn't makes sense
What REALLY doesn't make sense is your upcoming ice cold take.
My personal opinion is the whole anti liberal thing is just Russian propaganda.
Yeah, because nobody can possibly criticize the likes of Biden, Pelosi, Hillary, Schumer, and Hakeem Jeffries from the left! It has to be propaganda from checks notes a fascist theocracy that despises the Left much more than liberals 🤦
Other parties using words like liberal and perverting it doesn't prove anything
Which is why that wasn't what I based anything on. Please stow the strawmen for just the rest of the paragraph.
Need I remind you the Nazi called themselves Natural Socialist German Worker Party. So I guess we can't use socialist or worker rights anymore by this same logic.
Damn, another in the very next sentence. You're REALLY not good at disguising your bad faith nonsense as a coherent and logical argument.
You speak of falling for propaganda
And you're proving my point better than I ever could.
the whole concept our country has been drifting right is an illusion
Are you drunk? High? It's ok if you are. I just want to know if this is actually you sober and you've lost all contact with reality.
Our country was always right and designed to suppress liberalism from the start. It was always liberalism in name only and anti-liberal in practice.
Wow, you're actually partially right for a second! Well done! Let's hope that your next sentence doesn't ruin it completely..
Once you realize we have been gamed from the start
Some more than others to this day..
the country was designed by the rich for the rich
100% correct. Let's see if whatever conclusion you reach based on that fact makes sense..
the sooner you can drop the fantasy about our country drifting to the right.
Nope. Biffed it. Fun fact: the politics of the US was further Right in the 50s and early 60s than in the rest of the 60s and most of the 70s. Then Reagan came along and lay the foundation for what has now culminated in actual fascists taking over.
It's not a straight line, but since then and ESPECIALLY since Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich made open hostility to dissent the modus operandi of the GOP in the 90s, the Overton window HAS shifted very far right.
In fact we have always been right and at moments in history paid lip service to the left
Yeah no, that's the leadership of both parties, NOT the country in general. For a supposed representative democracy, few governments in the West are less representative of the will of the majority of the people. A disparity that has only grown in recent years. Because of all the right wing misinformation from mostly the fascist party but also the Dems.
~~Shitting on~~ Supporting liberalism doesn't solve anything as it is ~~not~~ a big part of the real problem.
Fixed that for you.
Liberalism is defining a way to think about rights. You want it to be something monolithic so you can blame it for your current distaste of politics. You are simply being disingenuous about it.
Your definition is apparently all the wrong things people do who claim to be liberal. Speaking of saltiness you must need a glass of water.
Sorry that you come off as an edge lord, but the truth hurts.
Now you deny anti-liberal movement came from Russian disinformation campaigns? I was alive and well when I saw this shit coming out of Russia several decades ago.
Pretending a bunch of Neo liberals are liberals is once again dumb. If you are trying to come across as truthful why do you keep muddying the water?
It is like you ignore all the criticism that liberals give to modern politics because it is the exact same criticisms you give. It is almost like you are a liberal yourself.
Lastly, you are outright delusional if you think our country has not always been right. A simple thought experiment. When was SCOTUS ever a liberal court. When was the Senate not designed to quash liberal policies.
Once you let go of the propaganda that has been fed to you your whole life you can stop blaming concepts like liberalism for our problems.
Ok, I had my suspicions, but now I know what has you confused: you're confusing the ideology liberalism with the libertarianism - authoritarianism axis of the political compass.
I know it's confusing, especially since fascists who like drugs have appropriated the label "libertarian" in the US, but come on.
You had the option to not say anything before you knew enough to back up your enormous confidence with actual knowledge of how to correctly define words and ideologies.
Instead you just blundered full speed ahead with your eyes closed while tossing grenades all around you like when Trump confuses political asylum with arcane mental institutions and concludes that crazy people are invading the country.
I'm not really sure why tankies are so bent on hammering liberal into a right wing tool. It is not
I have a few ideas why liberals keep painting everyone who points out the fact that liberalism is a center right to right wing ideology as tankies 🙄
For the record, I'm an anti-authoritarian pacifist, meaning that only someone with an extremely superficial understanding of political ideology would ever confuse me for a tankie.
Probably for the same reason you use liberal like ia slur when you don't know what it stands for. Your posts read like the same astroturfed Russian comments meant to sow division
you use liberal like ia slur when you don't know what it stands for
Nope, I use it accurately because I DO know. It's not my fault that an accurate description of the ideology is inherently unflattering.
Your posts read like the same astroturfed Russian comments meant to sow division
One of the many reasons why I don't get along with the worst liberals: the eternal "the Left is Russia" bullshit you use to avoid taking any constructive criticism to heart.
No you are drinking your own koolaid is what you're doing
This you?
I always recommend this 4 part philosophytube series on liberalism as a good starting point for liberals to understand their own ideology and how it enables fascism:
Neoliberals are rich and/or influential in higher echelon.
There are regular liberals. Who are definately left to far left of center. We're just more neutral to the economic system and more into preserving human rights.
There are regular liberals. Who are definately left to far left of center.
Those aren't liberals. You're conflating what the word means with the incorrect usage of the billionaire-owned media.
Here's Phil Ochs accurately describing liberals from a Left point of view
We're just more neutral to the economic system and more into preserving human rights.
That doesn't make any sense in a capitalist world where a lot if not MOST human rights violations are allowed to go unpunished because of economic considerations. It's just as bad as the "social liberal economic conservative" bullshit.
That doesn't make any sense in a capitalist world where a lot if not MOST human rights violations are allowed to go unpunished because of economic considerations. It's just as bad as the "social liberal economic conservative" bullshit.
It makes perfect sense when the main economic system isn't changing anytime soon and that humans won't just magically become not shitty if changed to another one
Ah, I see. The "ignore the majority of the world's injustice because it's not easy to overcome" school of ethics. Never been an adherent of that particular dogma myself..
Not saying ignore it I'm saying be realistic. I'm saying work with whats possible now. Communism is what comes after you've already solved the world's problems
get used to it, it's only going to get worse from here on out, as if that seems impossible, it isn't. now that trump has been re-elected, there's no surprise this time around, and after he was rightly targeted in criminal probes these last 4 years, he's going to take the gloves off, and come for owners, producers, and journalists of anything he deems disloyal. what we thought we were sure of about the united states and how it should operate is quickly coming to an end. this is what fascism means.
A depressing take that I 100% share but wish I didn't.
The only way I'm going to be able to deal with this bullshit is to tune out or numb myself to it in some way
The only way I’m going to be able to deal with this bullshit is to tune out or numb myself to it in some way
Yup.
Ignorance is bliss.
The next 4 years minimum are going to be a non-stop onslaught of depressing and outright embarrassing headlines. I plan on cutting all news pipelines out of my feeds at the end of this calendar year.
Yeah. I understand. I wish I could do that too but realistically I'm probably just going to pay half as much attention as I traditionally have
Yup.
Fools think there's a magical reset button ever 4-8 years if we regret our decisions.
I implore those fools to pick up a history book and find out why that isn't a guarantee. But we know they never will.
By the end of whatever this is workers in America will have less power and our institutions will be weakened, if not destroyed.
Americans are about to find out what actual suffering is.
protip: no matter where you live, you're about to find out too. no fault of your own, completely our fault, but it's coming sure as night follows day. the inter-connectivity of the worlds only western superpower is about to be made abundantly clear to everyone thinking this is only an American problem.
I’m becoming increasingly familiar with this photo. It should just come with the articles.
Remember the right-wing frenzy over “Rich Men North of Richmond”?
Oliver Anthony almost immediately clarified that Trump and Republicans were *also" the people he was talking about...
This is the danger of Dems moving "to the right". They're doing it on topics that lots of rural voters already hate that Republicans do.
The only people happy with the Dems move to the right is wealthy donors. It doesn't gain any ground with voters, just normalizes the shitty stuff republicans do and gives more credence to one of the most common reasons eligible voters don't vote:
Who am I supposed to vote for? The Republican who's blasting me in the ass or the Democrat who's blasting me in the ass?
But....the price of eggs!
I thought everything donvict did was for the little guy!
Obviously Biden's fault for not waiving his wand and enforcing this personally /s
You are trying to tell me, that Americans don't get paid for overtime? Not getting paid 3, 2 or at least 0.5 times more, like the civilised world, but nothing? So they are working for free. What's that called again?
I think the rich get overtime pay
The rich have their money working overtime.
I mean they have salaries so this doesn't affect them at all.
No overtime pay, no sick days, no paid vacations. Americans just love getting cucked, as long as they can have their pew pews
Americans in their fantasies: “we need guns to prevent tyranny”
Americans in reality: Use guns to install tyranny
I don't wish multiple gout-related limb amputations on many people, buuuut...
trumpf: “I’m going to end tax on overtime!”
me: probably just code for ending OT entirely…
today: jc
Imagine if those millions lined up outside the courthouse with pitch forks and torches.
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