Obligatory Mastodon mention.
Better than going with another for profit, VC funded, corpo.
They are looking for the same as tw/ig/fb/etc most of the fediverse doesn't work that way that's why most of the ones that go to mastodon then return to the walled gardens.
Mastodon is great if your interests are Linux and FOSS.
It's great for tabletop games if you join the tabletop gaming instance.
Or if you flood it with tabletop gaming fans.
You can join any instance and follow all the TTG people.
Of course. But if you care about one topic or community over all others, you should join the site that is focused on that topic. The Local timeline is the heart of the platform, and "it doesn't matter where your account lives" ia how the fediverse dies.
If you want to follow topics, that's what Lemmy is built for.
Mastodon is designed around following individuals, rather than topics.
No, Lemmy is for if you want to run a user-led forum-like website where users create and maintain discussion groups for you.
Mastodon is what you use when you want a small microblogging website.
The optimal way to use either platform is to build social websites that are focused on some commonality among users, may that be interest based, region based, identity based, or whatever kind of community you want to foster.
Lemmy allows you that community to create self-moderated subspaces to discuss topics through the community's lens. Mastodon allows that community to engage in slow-rolling threaded chats among members.
Federation allows those users to also reach out to and engage with other communities that are not your home base, whether in a microblog format, or in a compartmentalized form.
The current usage model is a simulacrum of closed, corporate, centralized platforms, and it's not working. Lemmy is full of people who who't stop whining about how thet can't homogenize and blend communities from different servers. Early on, many people wanted this merging to be automatic, as if c/News on lemmy.ca and c/News on ttrpg.network are just splintered shadows of r/News or something. Mastodon is a revolving door of people who can't find people discussing their topics of interest and then bouncing.
Local matters. The fediverse is a local-first space. Ignoring that keeps all of it an also-ran.
The fediverse is a local-first space.
How does that make sense, when the foundational feature that separates the Fediverse from everything else, is it's seamless integration with other sites and instances that aren't local.
Do you consider email to be local first?
Well, for one, the integration isn't seamless. There are tons of seams, and people whine endlessly about them. "I can't find anybody taling about X,Y, or Z!" "The follow counts are different!" "Other people are seeing different replies!" "How dare you defeserate from that other website, even though it's ummoderated and its users kepe violating the rules here?"
The subscription model requires you to know about things happening elsewhere and then go out of your way to subscribe to it. ActivityPub servers are not passively finding other servers, new groups, or new people. If someone on your local server hasn't already done the "enter the url into the search bar" dance, there's nothing to see. Federation is a perk of the system, not the core feature.
For another, scaling a distributed, federated model where everyone is most active talking to people everywhere else works very poorly. Feseration works by requesting and then locally storing copies of remote posts. Every remote communication you make increases the storage and bandwith costs of your post by a factor of the number of remote servers are subscribed to it. The whole experiment breaks down amd totally destroys smaller instances if everybody jumps on the fediverse and treats it as a global-first platform, and that really kills the whole decentralization thing.
It all works best if most of our communication happens locally; if we find servers hosting the people we want to engage with the most, and join them there, and then use federation to engage with the people we're less focused on.
Treating the fediverse like modern, centralized social media, but just without the fear of billionaires, is treating screws as if they were nails. They may look similar, and they may serve similar functions, but they operate totally differently, and trying to use them in the exact same ways is going to ruin your project.
Do you consider email to be local first.
Do you consider this to be email?
Do you consider this to be [like] email?
Yes! Absolutely! It takes social media, and makes it work the same way email does.
Again, do you consider email to be local first?
There's a tabletop gaming mastodon instance?
dice.camp
What is a tabletop game?
A common type of game you play at a table.
Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave.
All jokes aside you're 100% right
True. And it can be great if those aren't your interests, too.
I'm having a great time finding musicians as well
Or anything else
Is the middle ground push. Maybe we can convince people to at least do both?
Especially when you have a group that would be ideal for a tabletop gaming server where you could participate locally instead of having to find each other all the time - and it’d be a lot easier to find and vet other community members going forward.
I mean, leaving now ... How very brave and probably not about the economics of remaining.
I at least feel good leaving as soon as Musk bought Twitter.
I thought for sure they’d get epically hacked.
Anyway, enough people do that and you keep flogging the customers and this is the outcome.
Same. It grinds my gears a little at all the excuses people give for continuing to feed that beast while talking about how terrible it is for society.
Sorry but having principles does involve some sacrifice.
You may be preaching to the choir here on Lemmy.
Probably 90% of us have left Reddit to use this instead.
(Not that I disagree with you, I feel your frustration)
And honestly a great example of it working out. At least for me. I would try Lemmy off and on, and so when there was big push for people to jump off reddit I was pumped. Only Lemmy doesn't have for me is it popping up on search results, but I can just find content and talk to people all day if I wanted to.
We take our Ws where we can get em.
Twitter being economically unviable is still pretty good news.
It's probably not about the economics of remaining. Twitter's still got way more users than Bluesky.
But the optics of Bluesky are way better than the optics of Twitter, so you get to feel like you're sacrificing something (the larger user base) for your principles, while still having a huge (and engaged) audience.
They get to have their cake and eat it too. Until the crypto bros have their way with the place.
Which means it is about the economics. Which is what I said.
You just "um achserkly"ed me to make the same point but longer.
Ok, fine. It's about the economics of the bandwagon, I guess.
If I said the same thing you said, it was because what you said wasn't clear. Maybe you should have akshually used more words.
At least all the mentally weak and emotionally mature are leaving X
The people are just going to what it looks like the image they have of twitter at the beginning not realizing that is going to be a new twitter as soon as most of them have gone to the new twitter.
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