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"Now, let's butcher each other's peasants again!" (lemmy.world)

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[-] DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"These fucking retards you and I respectively lead want to stab each other again but we can't do shit about societal momentum. Soz bro."

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

For future reference, 'retard' is not kosher anymore. I grew up in the era when we were all using it too, so I get the habit, but please avoid the term in this community in the future.

[-] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

You don't call retarded people retarded. You call your friends retarded, when they are acting retarded.

[+] DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee -11 points 5 days ago

What word should I use?

Because I guarantee you that'll be a slur in five years. No one wants to be "dumber than most everyone else" but those people exist. And if you're "mentally retarded," that's probably "you."

Thanks for the comment, though. I can block this community before I'm banned!

[-] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago

I can block this community before I’m banned!

He sure showed us.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago

Because I guarantee you that’ll be a slur in five years.

'Retard' has had a rather unique journey as a clinical term through periods of great prejudice against the mentally disabled, before ending up as an insult, and once an insult, was widely used against the genuinely mentally disabled as a means of demeaning them, giving it a particularly bad history.

Don't be a fucking moron.

[-] Ozymandias1688@feddit.org 24 points 5 days ago

Well didn't moron use to be a medical term too? So you're doing the same thing here, hows moron different from retard?

[-] Bacano@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

Same with idiot.

People seem to have a habit of taking whatever term is used for individuals with mental disabilities and using them to hyperbolize their criticism of someone's decisions/behavior. This is insulting to the dignity of members of society so society begins to look at the term unfavorably and uses a new term to describe it's mentally challenged members. Then the cycle repeats itself.

[-] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago

Was it used to demean people to the same extent?

[-] Ozymandias1688@feddit.org 21 points 5 days ago

Yes, if you were rated below a certain iq, you were classified as a moron or an imbecile, both medical terms of the time which became derogatory words. It does not really make a difference if you use moron, imbecile, retard or psycho. You insult somebody by implying some kind of disability, which is now widely regarded as offensive. So i think it is really kind of funny when somebody gets chastised by doing the very same thing in the same post. Some self-reflection might be in order.

[+] PugJesus@lemmy.world -14 points 5 days ago

Well didn’t moron use to be a medical term too? So you’re doing the same thing here, hows moron different from retard?

Do I have to explain to you how language works? Terms develop connotations over time. Usage makes some into slurs. This isn't complex. This is how every fucking slur comes about. Jesus H. Christ.

[-] Ozymandias1688@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago

Exactly, and how is moron not a slur?

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -5 points 5 days ago

Wow. What an amazing point he has, that... [checks notes] connotations change with time?

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago

His point that whatever term retard is replaced with in the lexicon will simply go on the treadmill of slurs just like moron did.

Okay?

Like, I really don't know what the two of you aim to prove here by repeatedly drawing attention to the fact that connotations of words change with time. Yes, both in the past and the future. This is my shocked face.

The use of 'Retard' and its acceptability has changed due to the dual connotations it acquired (those connotations being, specifically, a derogatory insult, and the assertion of actual medical mental disability). It's no longer acceptable. That doesn't mean that every word which clinicians used or which schoolyard bullies used is now the equivalent of calling someone a 'retard'. 'Retard' has a very acute combination of connotations, which anyone who grew up around the term understands as different from terms like 'fool', 'idiot', or 'moron'.

Like, fuck's sake. How are you not grasping this?

You are literally participating in the problem you tried to call out.

... the problem of... not using a term widely agreed upon to be offensive in the modern day?

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Either both are acceptable or neither is because they are synonymous, in meaning and historical context.

Okay, you go out to your local NAACP meeting and started calling all the people there 'colored', or even better, 'negros', since that's synonymous in meaning and historical context to 'Black', I'm sure it'll go over well. Good to see that you still don't understand what 'connotation' means, and apparently are too lazy to look it up.

Fucking moron.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago

same root, usage and cultural meaning though acceptability has differed over time.

Yes, like 'colored' and 'Black'. Yet only a fucking moron would confuse the two as equally appropriate.

You literally are just repeatedly demonstrating that you don't understand connotation, and are utterly resistant to the most blatant and obvious examples of connotation possible. It's like your eyes pass over the comparison without even reading it, glossing over with the hope of, I don't know, showing off your ignorance on the internet? I mean, if you're going to get into an argument about literal semantics, you should probably at least understand the elementary-school stuff, lmao.

[-] Ozymandias1688@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

Funny. I see nobody in this thread throwing around insults, except for you. Ok, let's stoop to that level: Maybe you could stop calling people having a civilized debate "fucking morons", then you wouldn't come across as an intolerable twat. I'm out.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

Funny. I see nobody in this thread throwing around insults, except for you.

Is it because the other guy literally asked to be banned and his content removed? Because otherwise you'd see him calling me a retard. But hey, who needs context when you can blindly side with whoever seems to be in agreement with you and make assertions on what feels correct?

[-] HollowNaught@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

I agree that 'retard' crossed the line when it started being used as an insult against legitimately disabled people

I remember using it here and there when I was younger, with no malice behind the words. I stopped using it after I learned that it had started to be used in a derogatory sense (or maybe there never was a time when it wasn't)

Thing is, the term 'retardation' just means to be slowing down, in a literal sense. In medicine, the term used is 'mental retardation' when somebody's mental thought process is reducing, which is what people think they're saying when they just say 'retarded'

I would even go so far as to say, if you allow one use of the word, that these people who paraphrase medical terms in derogatory ways are 'retarded'

If you're going to be offensive, at least be creative. When you use these words, among some other like the n word, you're just telling me you're an asshole with zero mental aptitude

For example, I think the original commenter has the thought capacity of a chicken

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

I like how the comment section just became a slur history class, anyways, beautiful brothership, but I'm sure the peasants would disagree.

[-] jsqribe@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago

Fuck me was not prepared for that even after I read your warning I must be a re- 😂

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

I like how the comment section just became a slur history class

I suppose it was too much to ask that people understand the basics of how language changes and how words have implications.

anyways, beautiful brothership, but I’m sure the peasants would disagree.

Funny enough, both Richard I and Saladin were very popular amongst their men.

[-] MBM@lemmings.world 6 points 5 days ago

[-] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

[-] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

All that and they’ve never met in person.

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