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If there’s one thing I’d hoped people had learned going into the next four years of Donald Trump as president, it’s that spending lots of time online posting about what people in power are saying and doing is not going to accomplish anything. If anything, it’s exactly what they want.

Many of my journalist colleagues have attempted to beat back the tide under banners like “fighting disinformation” and “accountability.” While these efforts are admirable, the past few years have changed my own internal calculus. Thinkers like Jean-Paul Sartre and Hannah Arendt warned us that the point of this deluge is not to persuade, but to overwhelm and paralyze our capacity to act. More recently, researchers have found that the viral outrage disseminated on social media in response to these ridiculous claims actually reduces the effectiveness of collective action. The result is a media environment that keeps us in a state of debilitating fear and anger, endlessly reacting to our oppressors instead of organizing against them.

Cross’ book contains a meticulous catalog of social media sins which many people who follow and care about current events are probably guilty of—myself very much included. She documents how tech platforms encourage us, through their design affordances, to post and seethe and doomscroll into the void, always reacting and never acting.

But perhaps the greatest of these sins is convincing ourselves that posting is a form of political activism, when it is at best a coping mechanism—an individualist solution to problems that can only be solved by collective action. This, says Cross, is the primary way tech platforms atomize and alienate us, creating “a solipsism that says you are the main protagonist in a sea of NPCs.”

In the days since the inauguration, I’ve watched people on Bluesky and Instagram fall into these same old traps. My timeline is full of reactive hot takes and gotchas by people who still seem to think they can quote-dunk their way out of fascism—or who know they can’t, but simply can’t resist taking the bait. The media is more than willing to work up their appetites. Legacy news outlets cynically chase clicks (and ad dollars) by disseminating whatever sensational nonsense those in power are spewing.

This in turn fuels yet another round of online outrage, edgy takes, and screenshots exposing the “hypocrisy” of people who never cared about being seen as hypocrites, because that’s not the point. Even violent fantasies about putting billionaires to the guillotine are rendered inept in these online spaces—just another pressure release valve to harmlessly dissipate our rage instead of compelling ourselves to organize and act.

This is the opposite of what media, social or otherwise, is supposed to do. Of course it’s important to stay informed, and journalists can still provide the valuable information we need to take action. But this process has been short-circuited by tech platforms and a media environment built around seeking reaction for its own sake.

“For most people, social media gives you this sense that unless you care about everything, you care about nothing. You must try to swallow the world while it’s on fire,” said Cross. “But we didn’t evolve to be able to absorb this much info. It makes you devalue the work you can do in your community.”

It’s not that social media is fundamentally evil or bereft of any good qualities. Some of my best post-Twitter moments have been spent goofing around with mutuals on Bluesky, or waxing romantic about the joys of human creativity and art-making in an increasingly AI-infested world. But when it comes to addressing the problems we face, no amount of posting or passive info consumption is going to substitute the hard, unsexy work of organizing.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 171 points 6 days ago (30 children)

The greatest thing that social media ever did for humanity was in its ability to allow all of us to talk to each other in an open platform.

Those private corporate platforms have slowly been eroded and controlled to only waste our time and designed to keep us all angry, afraid, anxious and confused.

Open decentralized social media is bringing us back to that era 20 years ago when social media was just starting and people just talked and openly discussed the issues of the day with one another. It doesn't matter what kind of platform we have or can create, as long as it is decentralized and controlled by people, everyone will always find value in it because it allows us to talk to one another. The greatest thing I've ever found in taking part in the fediverse was in connecting to like minded people who want to talk about the important issues of the day without all the distractions of advertising and without having having to give up my privacy or security and have my identity sold to the highest bidder.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love mastodon because its actual people I'm following, so I can see whats happening in their lives, in contrast to twitter, which just showed me constant outrage bait and shitposts.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've been lazy on Mastodon because I've been spending all my time on Lemmy ... I really should do more there in the future ... thanks for the reminder.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Heh, same. The "subreddit" format is incredibly addictive.

[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 45 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

While I like to agree with that vision of decentralized social media, even here on lemmy we have our own pitfalls. Echo chambers are unchecked and defederation (even justified) happens.

I don't assume everyone here is a real person. There was a article recently that AI was training "persuasiveness" using reddit subreddits. I have to believe a similar trial exists on the fediverse least I be caught off guard.

Plus, there are a lot of folks here (it seems like a majority sometimes in my personal experience) that are quick to advocate violence/sabotage in lieu of negotiation and debate. That reaks of puppeteering; there can't be that many arseholes here, right?

I know I have some strong biases that lean towards peace, and I'm confused sometimes why a comment of mine in the fediverse gathers double digit upvotes steadily only to plummet to the negatives overnight. I get old reddit botnet vibes on some topics.

I suppose I want to like lemmy, the freedom, these communities, but it is still polarizing and influenceable by [insert tech/political/financial interests]. I don't trust this enough to recommend to friends and family, but my presence here makes it a fraction more what I want to be.

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 53 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Plus, there are a lot of folks here (it seems like a majority sometimes in my personal experience) that are quick to advocate violence/sabotage in lieu of negotiation and debate. That reeks of puppeteering; there can’t be that many arseholes here, right?

That's because there are a lot of marginlized folks here - gay, trans, autistic, linux users - who have spent decades disucssing politely and negotiating.

Problem is the people throwing Nazi salutes and writing all these executive orders have, quite clearly, said they want us all either dead or in camps.

Now I wouldn't dream of speaking for everyone else, but I'm certainly not going to be attempting to politely debate myself out of a one-way train ride, if it comes to that.

So, yeah, while I don't encourage violence for the sake of violence, the neoliberal 'oh dear we must all be very polite at all times and let rationality solve all our issues!' is dead and worthless.

I've taken classes for and armed myself, and I have zero qualms with defending myself and friends and family by any means necessary if it comes down to a situation where it's us-or-them, regardless of who 'them' is.

If you told me even five years ago that I'd be carrying a gun and be fully prepared to use deadly force to defend myself I'd have called you goofy, and if you told me that I'd be willing to use it against agents of the state if they came after me, I'd think you have lost your damn mind.

But, well, it's been a long 5 years, and frankly, IMO, the rule of law and the trust in any governmental institutions have been eroded into nothing.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Amazing take, no notes. I've done my due diligence, I've voted, I've canvassed for campaigns, I've donated to the right people.

I will NOT be debating with fascists or agitators while my friends and family members get taken away for being trans or the wrong shade of brown (or a Linux user lol). Someone in a more privileged position than me can.

I used that time to get my carry license instead.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hahahaha you said linux users in the same breath of marginalized folk.

The cloud is linux. I don't think social media is where we're marginalized.

I agree with everything else you've said.

https://socialistra.org/

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That was a joke. And besides, only certain distributions count anyways. Keep an eye out for our Slackware brothers, they need our help and support in these times.

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[–] EndRedStateSubsidies@leminal.space 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Something like 80% of all theft at this point is unpaid wages.

You have to understand that a system that calls corporations people is inherently violent. Profit is unpaid labor, so the existence of a tax code that not only allows -but celebrates and defends- billionaires is class warfare. If you steal $1000 from a store, the police show up. If the store steals $1000 from your paycheck the police tell you to get a lawyer with a $5k retainer. The store's existence isn't hampered by the $1,000 while most families would be ruined without out.

However, the only instance of the crime the system cares about is the one against the corporation.

Corporations are the only people that don't have to worry about eating. Corporations are the only people that don't have hands for handcuffs. Corporations are the only people the law cares about.

Corporations own the media. Corporations own the red ones. Corporations own the blue ones. Corporations own the food. Corporations are eager to own everything the DNC will meet the RNC half way in privatizing.

We are here because infinite money now equates to infinite speech. We as individuals have ever less speech because we have ever less money. Unions are being crippled now and soon protesting itself will become a crime against the state.

It will be a crime to speak out. It will be a crime to be different. It will be a crime to work too slow or think too much.

When every notion of freedom becomes a crime, crime becomes our only freedom.

Ready Player 2 mother fuckers.

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[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 31 points 6 days ago

Same. I’ve learned a lot since I joined Lemmy.

I genuinely believe centralised social media was created to make you feel like you’re doing something.

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago (8 children)

allow all of us to talk to each other

I was doing that just fine 30/40 years ago with BBS, newsgroups, and later with forums such as Lemmy. Social media put a name or a face on people, and was combined with the regular "eternal septembers," but it didn't bring anything useful to the conversation IMHO.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 95 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I can't upvote this strongly enough. Social media is doing everything in the establishment's favor - especially ingraining the habit of glancing at a news item and making an instant value judgement with minimal thought before scrolling along to the next item. It's not just that endless scrolling and venting take time away from real action, it's the encouragement of superficial thinking. People who get all their info from memes are solid gold to con men like Trump who depend on triggering simplistic kneejerk conclusions. They got conservatives to worship him by not thinking too much, and they can do the same to liberals.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I agree.

"Planet's burning up, another genocide, fascism on the rise... ugh... where are the funny memes."

Apathy is the greatest tool of the oppressor.

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[–] Toribor@corndog.social 22 points 5 days ago (3 children)

After working with computer software most of my life I've come to understand that if success relies on people 'paying attention to something, making an informed decision and then performing an action' that it is nearly impossible to get the desired outcome more than half the time.

We're so fucked.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Agreed. After 30 years working in IT for various companies from 40 employees to 300,000 employees, I believe about 70-80% of the corporate work force has an elementary school level of reading comprehension at best.

In the last 10 years of my career I stopped writing emails with more than 1 question, because otherwise most people would reply and only answer the first thing I asked (often poorly), ignoring the entire rest of the email.

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Also in that field, but… I think you have to acknowledge that being, usually, in your example 1) at work and 2) on a computer, make people that much less interested in giving a shit. Compare to various systems people use in their free time, and you probably see that people are pretty good at attending to the things they think matter.

Capitalism, or, at the very very least, unfettered capitalism, are the real problem, not people writ large.

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[–] mox 85 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

I suspect the vast majority of people turning to social media as a pressure release valve feel disempowered, and don't know what more they can reasonably do. When voting is no longer enough, and you have little time or money to spare, what's next? How can a fly meaningfully change the path of a rhino stampede?

This article is insightful, but practically useless. I think it would be better if it also presented specific actions and achievable goals that would lead to shutting down the encroaching fascism.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People need to know that posting doesn't actually do anything!

posts an article about it

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 24 points 6 days ago

Posts comment about it.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

How about joining the Fediverse?

And ad blocking.

Seriously. Participation in Google/Meta/Tiktok/Whatever and their manipulative algorithms is what makes a lot of this go around. Break their ad revenue, break out of the algorithms, and you break their manipulation.

It’s easy. It’s free. You can do it on your butt, in the same timeslots you doomscroll. And it would draw more devs into developing/hosting.

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[–] YungOnions@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Shamelessly reposting this here, because it seems relevant:

Negative news has a greater impact on people than positive: https://assets.csom.umn.edu/assets/71516.pdf

Media sites know this, and use it to drive engagement:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-023-01538-4

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/social-media-facebook-twitter-politics-b1870628.html

And so, negative headlines are getting worse: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0276367

But negative news is addictive and psychologically damaging: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-we-worry/202009/the-psychological-impact-negative-news

So it's important to try and stay positive:

https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/benefits-of-good-news

If you want a break from the constant negativity, here are some sites that report specifically on positive news:

And here's 35 more: https://news.feedspot.com/good_news_websites/

Some communities on Lemmy you might be interested in:

Remember, realistic optimism is important and, unlike what some might have you believe, is not the same as blissful ignorance or 'burying your head in the sand': https://www.learning-mind.com/realistic-optimism-blind-positivity/

https://www.centreforoptimism.com/realisticoptimism

And doesn't mean you must stay uninformed on current affairs: https://www.goodgoodgood.co/articles/how-to-stop-doom-scrolling

https://goodable.co/blog/tips-for-balancing-positive-and-negative-news/

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[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

For those who are feeling disheartened or numb and want/need a little push to get things started, you should check out AOC’s video she posted. It’s like an hour and a half long but she does a good job breaking down the situation, acknowledging the challenges, but also provides examples of things you and everyone else can do to resist.

In her own words/examples, you don’t have to feel like it’s all on just you to rollback illegal FAA staff appointments, to stop musk harvesting USAID, etc. There are specific concrete actions you can take within your capacity to make a difference.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

I am trying to get people I know personally to stop posting and reading and instead begin to focus on the very basics of actual organization, in the form of simply being able to communicate effectively and securely.

I have collected and written up information for them with the consideration that they are non-technical, pertaining to secure and private communications primarily, but also many more potentially useful emergency-scenario information and data which I will not speak about here.

The package I have started giving to my friends contains information such as:

  • How to communicate securely using something like Simplex or I2P
  • How to correctly configure and use a VPN
  • How to flash a security distribution of Linux such as TailsOS to a flash drive and how to boot to it from a computer
  • How to securely encrypt data to a device using an encryption software with hidden volume features such as VeraCrypt
  • A litany of manuals for all kinds of useful information you can use in emergencies, which I will not detail here
  • Files containing the data required to build potentially useful items in emergencies given access to the correct hardware which I will not detail here

I firmly believe that the majority of Americans will not do anything until someone is actually showing up at their door, coming after them in the street, or destroying the regularities of their personal day to day life, so my intention is to distribute materials which they can turn to when the fear sets into them well enough that they are scared to talk about such things openly.

It is clear to me that most of my American friends at least, at this point, still only feel superficial fear and outrage. The other day I asked them "If you had to vandalize a public space with a piece of art, what would you draw or paint? Let's say it is the side of a bank".

One said "tits", one said "flowers", one said "a fox".

Even in a fantasy, they would not express fear or outrage in a public setting.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 61 points 6 days ago (23 children)

TLDR - We need more Luigis against the techbros

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago (16 children)

I’m afraid you can’t vote or protest your way out of fascism. Only way out is to shoot.

You are correct. These people won't be stopped with words or rational arguments. They are past the point of being able to cooperate. We will be killing each other before long. Sorry to say, but if you don't have the tools and skills to do that, you might want to learn. Or be prepared to be owned or killed by those that do. Adolph Musk and crew want to OWN you or DESTROY you depending on how you look. Start preparing for what that means.

I fucking hate that it's coming to this, but without a major change of direction (that I see no evidence of yet) that's where this ends up. The red menace was in our own country the whole time.

I am an infantry veteran and I will be fighting on the correct side of history until I can't anymore. I do wonder how many of my fellow comrades I might come into conflict with once this all kicks off.

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[–] AfricanGrey@lemmy.zip 18 points 5 days ago

You can't even get Lemmings to leave Facebook because "muh marketplace" or "muh Auntie I haven't seen in a decade." Good luck. Y'all are addicted to this shit.

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago

I straight up hate that so many people are just now brushing up against the fact that everything is marketing. Everything is purposeful. Everything is sinister. Goddamn.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The revoltion will not be televised - Gill Scott Heron

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

For better or worse, this seems to be way less of a problem on the Fediverse. I can't tell if it's because it's federated OR if it's because corporate America hasn't woken up to it (yet?!?). I find way more interesting discussions on lemmy than anywhere else on the net. Hopefully it stays that way!

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Doom scrolling is facilitated by ad-optimised algorithms that push low-nuance, emotive content that gets a reaction, for views. (Thinking particularly of twitter and Facebook here)

The fediverse doesn't have that, and has no reason to, because as soon as any provider starts pushing ads, people will switch servers. So I think it WILL stay that way.

Also, I think as a consequence of having less combatitive content up front, people are generally in a less heightened emotional state as a baseline, and are able to approach more nuanced content more thoughtfully.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago (7 children)

But when it comes to addressing the problems we face, no amount of posting or passive info consumption is going to substitute the hard, unsexy work of organizing.

No shit, so when I'd say this in year 2013, it wasn't worthless nerd screeching aimed at satisfying my hunger for attention which I don't get because I'm a worthless nerd and can't accept the new world where tech helps, you know, normal socialized people, not like me, to fix every problem with their mutual likes and reposts and flashmobs.

Seems damn clear that radio reproductors on German streets didn't help against Nazism.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 days ago (6 children)

literally just don't doomscroll, go read my recent post over in eudaimonia.

You literally just don't have to do it lmao.

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[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

"bread and circuses" has been an effective strategy for thousands of years.

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