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[-] southernwolf@pawb.social 27 points 10 months ago

Fairphone brings a much better device to market with better cameras, a better screen, likely a better chip, open hardware specifications and modularity, a completely unlockable bootloader (with likely support for CalyxOS and other ROM's shortly), and up to 8 years of software support(!), but people say they won't get it because no headphone jack...

MFW people have their priorities extremely mixed up... That's been the world now for 6 years, it's time to get over it. Letting perfect be the enemy of good is how you decide to throwaway something as good as what Fairphone seems to be offering. Sony still offers Android devices with headphone jacks, just don't be upset if you don't get another Android version pushed to your device.

[-] limerod@reddthat.com 6 points 10 months ago

Yeah, it's not available in my region. But, if it was, I would consider getting it. Snapdragon 778 level performance should be sufficient for most people.

[-] southernwolf@pawb.social 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I hope the FP5 will come to the US officially too. I know the FP4 could work here, but it apparently did have issues with a carrier or two, or something.

Hopefully the 5 will bring true support for US markets.

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

It will be announced today, stay tuned

[-] AnotherPerson@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

For me it's the camera. If the best camera I have is the one with me then the one with me is going to be the best I can buy (within reason) if they could get Samsung or Pixel quality (or iPhone I guess) that would be awesome.

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[-] lemann@lemmy.one 22 points 10 months ago

Ugh. Looks like they may never release a device with a headphone jack at this point. I'm fine with my FP3 but it still comes off a bad move.

Can they please just bring back the project manager that oversaw the FP3? Since the departure the company has made very questionable design choices and decisions (FP4 without headphone jack, and the unrepairable first gen Fairbuds)

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[-] ExLisper@linux.community 21 points 10 months ago

No headphone jack? Not interested.

[-] HidingCat@kbin.social 23 points 10 months ago

Fair phone really shot themselves in the foot when they removed the headphone jack, especially given their mission statement.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 16 points 10 months ago

Yeah it was a real slap in the face. Especially when they debuted their branded Bluetooth headset at the same time. It's like gee you guys just charge more money for the phone if you want to make more money. Don't make me suffer

[-] Joris@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Don't forget the unrepairable Bluetooth in-ears.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 10 months ago

It's walking e-waste, in your ear! Not environmentally friendly. Ok sure, the phone needs a battery, but not everything needs a battery!

[-] fubbernuckin@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

No headphone jack. Real shame i won't be able to use this phone.

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

I simply cannot understand that decision. Am I supposed to throw away all my headphones now because of this dumb, Apple initiated fad? That big vendors like Samsung and OnePlus follow the inane "courage" displayed by Apple because they also want to be "premium" is understandable, but that smaller vendors, especially the fair phone do it is just dumb.

Apple creates problems to sell you a solution

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Am I supposed to throw away all my headphones now because of this dumb, Apple initiated fad?

No, they think https://shop.fairphone.com/shop/usb-c-to-mini-audio-jack-adapter-3-5mm-18 is fine. (I'm not agreeing with them.)

[-] elouboub@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Thanks, but pfffff. So I have to carry around another tiny thing I can lose easily. No thanks.

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No they don't intend you to use the adapter. They want you to buy their Bluetooth earbuds. They remove the headphone jack at the same time they introduce the earbuds. It's about pushing sales of a disposable electronic thing. To increase their overall revenue. Apple demonstrated this by huge sales of their earbuds. And everyone else once money so they're following suit. The reason Fair phone is pissing us off is because they said they weren't like other corporations, they didn't want extra e-waste, they were doing things to be sustainable, and then they pull the same dick head move. It feels like betrayal

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[-] Opafi@feddit.de 12 points 10 months ago

It's too damn big. I got a Fairphone 4 and got rid of it because I just couldn't properly use it (and because of the poor camera performance on top of that). Now they're releasing an even bigger phone? I may be the minority here, but that's a deal breaker for me. I'll need a new phone in the next few months, but right now I'm only considering the s23 or the Xperia 5 V, just because everything else is just too fucking huge.

[-] SillyBanana@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Exactly. I'm now on 4 years old Samsung S10e, with replaced battery and display, because I can't see myself using ANY of the new phones. All of them are so giant and heavy, and I already feel like I'd like something smaller than my current one... I guess the Fairphone philosophy wins anyway, hehe.

[-] curiousgoo@beehaw.org 5 points 10 months ago

Is the Asus Zenfone available in your region ? If yes, its a pretty compact and feature rich phone.

[-] Opafi@feddit.de 3 points 10 months ago

That wasn't on my radar, but the same point that kinda keeps me away from the Sony that I'd really like to like otherwise applies to the zenfone as well: really short update cycles. The zenfone even more so, as the Sony is just about to be released while the zenfone is already available for almost a year. I tend to keep my phones longer, so that really is a factor.

[-] claymore@pawb.social 4 points 10 months ago

Zenfone 10 got released in july this year. I'd buy it on the spot if the software support was longer. The only phone in recent memory that has good specs and also looks decent

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[-] Frederic@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

~~Asus just quit the phone market, closed their site and application, you can not ever unlock your bootloader anymore. Zenfone are dead.~~

looks false?

https://9to5google.com/2023/08/26/asus-zenfone-series-ending-report/

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 12 points 10 months ago
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[-] narrowide96lochkreis@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Has the most compelling hardware features of any Fairphone yet looks like. Also, quite like the design compared to their previous attempts.

~~No eSIM though?~~ It does have eSIM.

Also hope the software or rather firmware stuff is good. And would like to see some competent camera review.

Also, gotta say, funny how all the headphone jack die-hards from r/Android ended up here. As every single other comment here currently complains about it missing.

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[-] GenderNeutralBro 8 points 10 months ago

Specifically, the Qualcomm QCM6490 octa-core SoC is used in the Fairphone 5, which is actually more intended for embedded and industrial applications. The chip has eight cores and reaches up to 2.7 gigahertz, whereby the performance should be on the level of the Snapdragon 778G 5G .

(Machine translated.)

Interesting. I'll wait for benchmarks before jumping to conclusions. Considering how Qualcomm has been raising prices, I'm not really surprised that vendors are crawling down the product line.

[-] claymore@pawb.social 12 points 10 months ago

In the article it mentions that the SoC might have been chosen because on it's extended software support of 8 years. Industrial tier electronics also usually cost more than consumer counterparts, so unlikely a cost cutting measure

[-] GenderNeutralBro 3 points 10 months ago

Awesome. Ars just posted their review and they mention this as well. I have not used a SD 776G phone, which they say is similar. Looking at quick benchmarks, it looks like it sits around the performance level of a SD888?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/fairphone-5-sets-a-new-standard-with-8-10-years-of-android-support/

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I’ll wait for benchmarks

Fairphone was never about the high-end. Don't expect anything marvelous.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 months ago

It doesn't need to compete with current gen flagships, these are just overkill anyway even for me as a heavy user also using it for my work etc. What they do need is "good enough" performance (i.e. 2/3 years old flagship performance) and a decent camera, that's I think what was lacking that actually impacts users.

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[-] NightmareQueenJune@beehaw.org 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I am currently typing this on my Fairphone 4. I personally do really like it and the only thing I would really complain about is the cameras. They are fine but as soon as you get into low(ish) light settings or try to zoom just a little bit it get's bad. When using 8x digital zoom you basically have pixel soup. And yes, I know digital zoom sucks. But at the same time my Galaxy S7 was older and did this soo much better.

I was also annoyed about the missing headphone jack but it turns out that it really isn't a huge problem for me. I mostly need it in my car and I just have a dongle that splits into USB-C (for charging) and 3.5mm jack that I store in my car. I don't really get why Fairphone decided against it but it really doesnt affect me as much as I feared it would.

[-] limerod@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago

There are currently 11 modules, which are user replaceable. It has 8GB of ram. It would've been so much cool if it was upgradable to something like 12/16GB.

[-] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 4 points 10 months ago

I hope it gets a US release

[-] Pherenike@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fairphone 4 with /e/OS (degoogled, privacy focused custom ROM) is available in the US. Check out https://murena.com/shop/smartphones

[-] Anarchie99@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

FP5 will probably get the same treatment.

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[-] jack@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Can I get this in Ohio?

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