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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 148 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Fun fact": Mount Rushmore or Six Grandfathers was a sacred mountain for the Lakota to actively disrespect their beliefs

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 1 week ago (1 children)

other "fun" fact: the man who defaced Six Grandfathers, Gutzon Borglum, was a member of the KKK

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Gutzon Borglum

I refuse to acknowledge this is a real name.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a gnome NPC in WoW, right?

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[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 87 points 1 week ago (15 children)

The history of Washingtons teeth is uncertain. The evidence that those were slave teeth seems to show that the teeth were purchased.

Internet pictures with words are fucking dumb.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Washington owned slaves. He was not some moral high ground individual. The only reason why they even got independence from Britain was that Britain wanted to stop the expansion of the territory and the people in the colonies wanted to continue it and kill all the natives.

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In 1784, Washington paid unnamed “Negroes” for nine teeth. We don’t know the precise circumstances, says Van Horn: “The president’s decision to pay his slaves for their teeth may have been a recognition on his part that teeth were something sacrosanct and personal.” On the other hand, being enslaved meant that any economic exchange was inherently not fair.

He literally took advantage of enslaved people to get their teeth and you consider it as just “bought”. Top tier cracker mindset. I guess that to you it was also fair for him to own his slaves because he “bought” them.

https://daily.jstor.org/were-george-washingtons-teeth-taken-from-enslaved-people/

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I didn't suggest anything about his character, and we could probably have an entirely separate discussion about imperialism.

What is important is how you source information when it comes to dental prosthetics.

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[–] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Internet pictures with words are fucking dumb

Memers in shambles right now. Webcomic artists, to shreds. Researchers who use diagrams with legends in their publications, pulverized. Journalists, atomised.

A child draws a picture of his father and writes "I love you" for it is the man's birthday. He posts the picture online.

YOU FOOLS!

Yells the mother, as she beats them both to death with a large brick.

In the halls of the United Nations, an envoy reads the latest finding of his commission: "I'm afraid every character of every alphabet is ultimately a drawing."

"But that would mean..."

"Yes, I'm afraid. Every text online counts as internet picture with words. Including the meeting reports that Stephanie posts on our site." Sound of typing stops, as Stephanie looks up, aghast The discussion resumes, the tone rises and descends again, a consensus is reached. It is a hard choice, but a fair one. All the lettered people are to be buried alive.

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[–] Cano@lemm.ee 80 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Lincoln also commuted the sentence of 264 other Dakotans that had to be executed the same day. If he didn't intervene the executions would've been 303

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 week ago

Yeah. Cherry-picking can be used for good AND evil.

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 77 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not to mention defacing a mountain by putting a bunch of faces on it

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not just a mountain. A mountain holy for native americans

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[–] bricklove@midwest.social 59 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Not pictured: the giant, shitty looking pile of rubble under them.

They just blasted chunks off the mountain and left the mess behind

[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

Also not pictured: that the mountain is a spiritual site for the local tribes.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 week ago (8 children)

This is why I find it surprising when USAians say "This is not us." When talking about Trump. No bro, it was always you, maybe you just weren't paying attention.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 week ago (12 children)

As a Native American this attitude is so grating. People outside the US really don’t seem to understand that it’s 55 different states, districts, and territories, along with dozens of sovereign tribes, all being forced to pretend to be one nation. Many of us can and do claim “this is not us” in the same way many Europeans would say the same about Viktor Orban.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 week ago

Seems like a good time to link the list of US atrocities

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 50 points 1 week ago

All four of them carved onto a sacred natural site known to the Plains Indigenous people of the area as the 'Six Grandfathers'

[–] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 week ago (53 children)

I understand the point, but as an exercise, try to find four historical figures without glaring character defects. Eventually, I figure we’ll all be either judged or forgotten in time.

[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 week ago

These are a little more than character defects... theres lots of historical figures who didn't rape and murder.

[–] argon@lemmy.today 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

We only learn about the ones with defects, because they are the most interesting. Most people in history were fine.

One historic figure who had no known defects: Alan Turing

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (23 children)

303 natives were convicted and sentenced to death following the Dakota War of 1862. Lincoln actually commuted the sentences of 264 of those natives, allowing the convictions to stand only for those he believed personally engaged in the murder of innocent women and children.

Therefore, the last one is deliberately and intentionally misleading.

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

Teddy Roosevelt never said "The only good indian is a dead indian." That quote is typically associated with Philip Sheridan.

A number of sources claim a similar quote (“I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every 10 are...") alleged to be from an 1886 speech in New York, but this still goes against how he treated native americans generally and I can't find the original speech so I'm a bit suspicious of this as well.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That would require the democrats to actually do something

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[–] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That would require democrats to have fundamentally different goals than Republicans.

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