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it would be cool if websites let you be an adult on them. the advertisers and payment processors need everything to be Family Friendly though and their definitions of family and friendly are absolutely fucked. but since they're in charge of the Internet now, no one is allowed to be an adult. tiktokers say things like "unalive" and "seggs" because they know death and sex are too adult for online. online is for idiot babies only now because they're easier to market to

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oh im sorry you're a trans adult? super ban. you are super banned for life. you have upset Visa's feelings. Mastercard is throwing up in the corner. how could you do this to Google Ads?

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[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The companies doing this are americans and americans are pussies who think sitting in sauna naked with your same-sex family members is traumatic but watching endless gore is fun. The mindless religious zealotry, their puritan ancestors and lack of separation between church and real life is to blame.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The US religious fundamentalists have managed to impose their fucked up values on the world. Calling it "family values" was always a lie.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Hurting someones feelings or being offended is the worst thing an american could ever go through. It absolutely tanks ad revenue.

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[–] PeteWheeler@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yup.

If I can't say basic words and facts like, this woman was raped, this man died, etc.

I just don't use the website in any meaningful way.

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 19 points 4 days ago (8 children)

When I was a kid in Yahoo chat rooms... I saw things man.

These kids don't know.

Well the 4chan kids know but these normal kids don't know.

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[–] MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip 124 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The term "unalive" is so cringey yet dystopian that I don't know whether to feel embarrassed or concerned when I hear it.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 23 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It started out as a fun way to make light of Disney refusing to allow the word "Kill" to show up in the cartoon adaptation of Ultimate Spider-Man, now when I hear it in a youtube true crime video I want to game end myself.

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[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 38 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I wouldn't worry about that one too much. Death has a ton of euphemisms to soften the concept; "passing away", "transitioning", "going home", etc and so on and whatnot.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 65 points 5 days ago (2 children)

My grandpa transitioned, she's now my grandma

[–] embed_me@programming.dev 42 points 5 days ago

Sorry for your loss. On the other hand, congrats

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[–] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm waiting for that word to become so popular it also gets censored, it'd be hilarious

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 20 points 4 days ago (7 children)

I've got a list of backups:

  • cooked
  • spaced (see The Expanse)
  • inhumed (as opposed to exhumed as one might do in removing a corpse from a grave; see Terry Pratchett's Discworld's Assassins Guild lingo)
  • processed (as one does to food using a food processor)
  • isekai'd (for the weaboos)
  • truck-kun'd
  • terminated (for when the Terminator movies become popular again)
  • old yeller'd
  • returned to sender (until the postal system collapses)
  • X trimester aborted
  • Peter Pan'd (as in, thrown off a cliff and expected to fly)
  • Mufasa'd (or any notable fictional character whose death was a major plot point)
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[–] shani66@ani.social 25 points 4 days ago

I blame the rise of nu-puritanism on Google and payment processors. It's a load of bullshit that people can't even have negative feelings these days.

[–] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 68 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I've been so deep into fediverse stuff that I forgot about that. I feel blessed

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Have never been on Tiktok. Have no regrets.

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[–] muxika@lemm.ee 23 points 4 days ago

Fediverse and DNS sinkholes FTW. Any way I can avoid becoming someone's money is nice.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 29 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I've been saying for years that the advertiser-friendly neo-puritanicalism that was infecting the left was a trojan horse for conservatism, and then here we are.

[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

How was it infecting the left?

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 18 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Insistence on decorum, general anti-sex sentiments, curtailing of language to adhere to advertiser-friendly standards, to name a few.

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[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 24 points 4 days ago (5 children)

funnily enough on tiktok you can say "fuckass" but you cant say someone's intelligence is akin to that of a toaster or that someone is stupid. i have also seen the n word multiple times

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Relatively easy fix though. Get away from advertiser supported platforms and use community supported ones.

[–] green@feddit.nl 5 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Until the community supported platform becomes an advertiser supported one. Remember they said this same exact thing when moving from Facebook to Reddit.

Running is not going to save the online community. People have been running for the last 30 years, and it led us to some of the darkest times we've seen in 100 years. Instead we need to fight back and strategically retreat. Change the incentive structure - make advertisers absolutely miserable, and those who leech from advertisers should be similarly flogged.

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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

George Carlin warned us about this 30 years ago.

I'd link to it but I'm in the middle of a severance theory video.

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[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

wait huh? there's no way it's that bad, right?

i luv y'all, fedi frens! ~ <3

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Demonitising youtubers has made the Internet say

Unalive

A baby have been formed

Frick

And other shit it's stupid and the self censoring of fuck is annoying. I mean I would love for the Americans to invent new swear words. In German the censoring almost always fail since we have way to many words for insulting or swearing. Some are always free to use.

But the Americans just censor fuck instead of getting creative. Boring as a speech of Trump.

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[–] AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I dont understand either. Why the fuck cant you say suicide? When someone kills themselves, thats suicide, not 'unalive'.

Whats next, people cant even say 'unalive'?

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

It's because the app reportedly limits and is more selective with videos that contain certain words. Death, rape, suicide, homicide, genocide, murder, etc. it can also pull your video. They don't do it because they are sparing anyone's feelings, their saying it that way to avoid their videos being taken down it hidden.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 27 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Twitter is filled with porn and racism but still has payment processing and ads. 4chan has payment processing. I don't think this is a universal truth. It's more like some sites purposefully chose to have strict guidelines for whatever reasons.

This was posted on tumblr where trans people being suspended by staff with no good reason is a fairly regular occurrence

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago

"Sorry guys, the ad people don't like it." was just an excuse, the real goal was censorship of the web.

If Corporations are allowed to set the rules as to what gets talked about and what can't be mentioned, it's easier to flood the net with advertisements for their products.

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[–] fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

It's either that or I unleash the fedposting lmao.

[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think the issue is that these platforms are motivated by advertisers. I can build a Reddit clone in a weekend and have it be ad-free. It's not expensive to host text + urls - which was how old.reddit.com used to operate. It's basically a few dollars a month or I could host it out of my house for the cost of electricity (and security). And, without advertisers, I don't really care what I host so long as it doesn't directly contributing to harming others.

The main issues are:

  • No one wants to join a platform devoid of content
  • Once you reach a large enough platform that people want to join, it might require revenue streams to afford the scale
  • It's hard for people to even find platforms (Google will direct you to the top 5: Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok)

The modern infrastructure hasn't changed. It's still HTTP and servers. The problem is internet culture. We used to use the internet as an extension of our community. We could share links, forums, etc. in person (bizarre, I know). But now the internet is our entire community. And there is little drive to participate in niche communities. People like to be heard and to engage quickly on the internet which requires a large-ish platform (Lemmy is a good example of this).

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 31 points 5 days ago (3 children)

No it's really payment processors.

There have been multiple successful ad-free websites in the past. But they still need revenue to function. Revenue their users happily pay.

But then Visa or PayPal or whoever is handling the transactions starts to pay attention and then all the sudden there's new rules in place or else they hike fees or just stop processing payments altogether.

And on the Internet, there is no true alternative methods of payment (hint: any viable methods are quickly suppressed by those same payment processors).

So the only way any website gets big is left to the whims of advertisers or payment processors (usually both).

I have no idea why we as a people are somehow fine with private companies having a complete stranglehold on all significant online business. Why we've allowed the government to privatize digital transactions, subject to very little rights or protections. It's allowing private corporations to massively suppress free speech, commerce, and social gatherings in the digital sphere.

Honestly our supposed freedoms are more and more limited these days because they only apply to public spaces, but there's been a continual erosion of 'public'. Where is the modern town square? If the only place you can practice your 'rights' is almost nowhere, do you really have those rights at all?

The government should be mandating that 'digital infrastructure' (ISPs, data centers, payment processors, etc) are neutral and can't be utilized to bully others out of business. That their privileged position also comes with extra responsibilities and restrictions so you don't have the digital equivalent of cutting off water to an abortion clinic because the water utility is pro-life.

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