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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 1 week ago (17 children)

It's also funny to me when people say they are Christian but don't want to help the poor. The good Samaritan is very clear. So is the bit about the sheep and the goats.

But you can use the Bible to justify anything, I guess.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Christianity is about control for the powerful and bedtime stories to make you feel better about inexcusable shitty behavior for the masses.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I have a cousin from a wealthy family who chooses to be homeless. He can’t be committed against his will and he doesn’t want the responsibility of just having a room in his parents house or with relatives.

A lot of people have this idea that housing everyone will fix the people who just aren’t gonna do it without it being forced on them

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

One of the biggest issues when talking about homelessness is conflating the two different groups - people who are homeless through unfortunate circumstances, and people who are incapable of living in society. One side thinks all homeless are the former group, the other side thinks all homeless are the latter group. Truth is, both exist. You can't take a schizophrenic drug addict, throw them in a house, and then declare victory. However, there ARE some homeless for whom that's all they need.

Ending homelessness requires a granular, personal approach. And that shit is EXPENSIVE.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ending homelessness requires a granular, personal approach. And that shit is EXPENSIVE.

But generally less expensive than letting the problem fester. Police, medics, sanitation, and so on is expensive as hell.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

People are notoriously bad at comparing a single large dollar amount with a large number of smaller dollar amounts.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Simply putting the subset of homeless who can't live in society into a house or apartment will not substantially reduce the need for police, medics or sanitation.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, which is why I quoted this text instead of "just house everyone"

Ending homelessness requires a granular, personal approach. And that shit is EXPENSIVE.

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And that shit is EXPENSIVE.

Or takes all of society to get involved, rather than outsourcing it to government via taxes.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Anything that starts with "if everyone would just..." can pretty much be immediately dismissed.

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[–] theotherwoman@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

You're just wrong. No granular approach is needed. It's not complicated at all.

Offer people housing without conditions and people do take it. Finland did this and it eliminated homelessness there.

The cousin from a rich family "choosing" to be homeless over living with family is likely "choosing" that option because he doesn't want to take harsh psychiatric medications, have a curfew of 9 PM in his 20s, and be criticized for going out to socialize. It's likely the "choice" involves a rejection of extremely oppressive rules and he doesn't have decent options.

You can actually take a schizophrenic drug addict, throw them in a house, and then declare victory. Often that type of person chooses voluntarily to deal with some issues once housed. What you can't do is take a schizophrenic drug addict and offer housing contingent upon really harsh anti-psychotics and weekly drug testing plus loss of housing if they don't comply, administered by extremely expensive social workers who end up feeling like police. That is also what makes traditional programs so expensive.

I often think people who think homelessness is a complex nuanced issue just want there to be homelessness or buy into upper class lies justifying homelessness which keep the lower classes fearful and obedient.

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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I have more respect for someone who goes "I hate homeless people, I think they're scum" and pushes for actually housing them because they don't ever want to see them again, over someone who goes "Oh those poor dears! We really should do something!" and then just likes a social media post about hostile architecture and leaves it at that.

[–] Corno@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

I wish more countries could address this issue rather than trying to pretend it isn't an issue by implementing hostile architecture.

[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 3 points 1 week ago

Straight to the jail. ~/s~

[–] daveB@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Agreed, give people dignity and safety. We all need help sometimes

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