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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

As a techno-optimist, I always expected self-driving to quickly become safer than human, at least in relatively controlled situations. However I’m at least as much a pessimist of human nature and the legal system.

Given self-driving vehicles demonstrably safer than human, but not perfect, how can we get beyond humans taking advantage, and massive liability for the remaining accidents?

[–] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago (12 children)

I had a friend that worked for them in the past. They really aren't that impressive. They get stuck constantly. While the tech down the line might be revolutionary for people who cannot drive for whatever reason right now it still needs a LOT of work.

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how those robot food delivery "robot ai boxes"? by starship doing?

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What’s tricky is figuring out the appropriate human baseline, since human drivers don’t necessarily report every crash.

Also, I think it's worth discussing whether to include in the baseline certain driver assistance technologies, like automated braking, blind spot warnings, other warnings/visualizations of surrounding objects, cars, bikes, or pedestrians, etc. Throw in other things like traction control, antilock brakes, etc.

There are ways to make human driving safer without fully automating the driving, so it may not be appropriate to compare fully automated driving with fully manual driving. Hybrid approaches might be safer today, but we don't have the data to actually analyze that, as far as I can tell.

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

That doesn't seem like a very high bar to achieve

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 days ago (6 children)

How are they with parking lots, tho'?

[–] randompasta@lemmy.today 10 points 5 days ago

Or yielding to emergency vehicles.

[–] Jayk0b@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think "veritasium" or what the yt channel is called made a video about those.

It did manage to bring him to a store with a big parking lot, it did it.

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Evolution took a billion years too, so it's kinda fair to say "well, vehicles need some training".

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

I believe it, but they also only drive specific routes.

[–] roguelazer@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Focusing on airbag-deployments and injuries ignores the obvious problem: these things are unbelievably unsafe for pedestrians and bicyclists. I curse SF for allowing AVs and always give them a wide berth because there's no way to know if they see you and they'll often behave erratically and unpredictably in crosswalks. I don't give a shit how often the passengers are injured, I care a lot more how much they disrupt life for all the people who aren't paying Waymo for the privilege.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 11 points 5 days ago

The question is are they safer than human drivers, not are they safe. Cars exist, are everywhere, and are very unsafe to pedestrians. You won't be able to get rid of cars, so if waymo is really safer we should mandate it on all cars. That is a big if though - drunk drivers are still a large percentage of crashes so is if far to lump sober drivers together with drunks - I don't know the real statistics to figure this out.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 9 points 5 days ago

always give them a wide berth because there's no way to know if they see you and they'll often behave erratically and unpredictably in crosswalks

All of this applies to dealing with human drivers, too.

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