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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago (6 children)

They were both drunk. She was more drunk.

[–] SirQuack@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She was unable to walk-drunk, he got her home.
This guy wants to be a gynaecologist for fucks sake.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what does gynaecology have to do with this?

[–] Bloomcole@lemm.ee 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Really?
You don't see a problem with this guy being alone in a room with a woman in a vulnerable position having her genitals touched?

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If there's a problem with him being a doctor, he shouldn't be a doctor. The idea that vaginas are somehow especially vulnerable is mysticism.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The man hasn't been named by Belgian media. 😠

Internet detectives, hear my call! Find the name of this rapist so that we may plaster it everywhere like the rapist Brock Turner!

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just like Brock Turner, the rapist!

[–] kipo@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Oh Brock Allen Turner, the rapist who now goes by Allen Turner?

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yup, the rapey one

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[–] DV8@lemmy.world 94 points 2 days ago (31 children)

Oh wow, something from Belgium showed up here. Obviously most reactions are the same here. But I would urge everyone to read more details about this. As there much more uncomfortable nuance here. One of those being that the dude is also in agreement he did something wrong. He also gave a relatively accurate description of the events of that evening that got proven with phone records and CCTV at different locations. Making his account of what happened at the least somewhat reliable.

Obviously the woman could not consent because she was drunk as fuck. And she's allowed to get drunk as fuck without being taken advantage off. CCTV showed them kissing at the bar they met. Phone records show he tried to call her friend she was supposed to go home with. CCTV shows them going to that friend's dorm and not getting in and waiting there for half an hour. Then they walk back to his place while kissing on the way there. The morning after his messages to her indicate he wants to continue seeing her. (https://m.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20250402_95297572?journeybuilder=nopaywall but it's in Dutch)

Again, she could not consent, and he as the least drunk of both of them bears the responsibility of this. I do think he should have had some form of punishment above of what he got and for the woman's feeling of safety a restraining order like she asked. And something that would have made mandatory counselling and follow-up possible. Not to mention that although justice in Belgium isn't supposed to be revenge, it should also cause some sort of satisfaction for the victim.

This situation just shows that the definition of rape over the decades has become more complex and nuanced, but unfortunately the tools to deal with this have not. This dude definitely did something wrong, but he's not just a vicious predator.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 66 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So if he’s gonna rape as a med student, he’s definitely gonna rape as a doctor. And that judge is a rapist too, judging from their warped views

[–] beansbeansbeans@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought the same thing. The judge is too lenient and I question their morality.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 168 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This reminds me of the rapist Brock Turner, aka Allen Turner, the rapist.

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Yes, the rapist Brock Allen Turner is also the first thing that crossed my mind. How he got away after raping that girl and now is even trying to change his name.

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 106 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh Allen Turner? Who started using his middle name instead of Brock Turner? Because he raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster? That guy? (Brock/Allen Turner?)

I just want to be sure I'm thinking of the right guy...

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/index.html

This Brock Allen Turner right?

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[–] kiagam@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (5 children)

And when I say I don't trust judges and that the justice system of most places is broken for giving a single person the final decision power, based on whatever they think is right, people say I'm trolling.

Judges pull decisions out of their ass to fulfill whatever interest they have. Or sometimes just because they are stupid.

Good judges are super rare.

[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah in this case I think it's more a case of "hey this guy looks kind of like my son". In this case I think it led to a miscarriage of justice, but I think in other cases that kind of thinking could protect against excessively harsh punishments. In the end I think it comes down to inequality. Bigger inequality shrinks the pool of people judges can intuitively relate to, which in turn makes judgements more unequal.

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[–] natecox@programming.dev 124 points 2 days ago (4 children)

By finding him guilty but not punishing him, he will be made to feel guilty and the chance of him reoffending will be prevented, without socially impairing the man

What a load of horse shit. “Letting him get away with rape penalty free will ensure he doesn’t do it again” is some crazy fucking logic. Seems like knowing there are no consequences for your actions would make repeating the offense significantly more likely.

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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 90 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] keen@lemmy.world 106 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Don't worry, that's not the real reason. The real reason is most likely that the perpetrators family is rich and the victim's family isn't.

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