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[–] drathvedro@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago
[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 days ago

" It takes a strong effort on the part of each American Indian not to become Europeanized. The strength for this effort can only come from the traditional ways, the traditional values that our elders retain. It must come from the hoop, the four directions, the relations: it cannot come from the pages of a book or a thousand books. No European can ever teach a Lakota to be Lakota, a Hopi to be Hopi. A master’s degree in “Indian Studies” or in “education” or in anything else cannot make a person into a human being or provide knowledge into the traditional ways. It can only make you into a mental European, an outsider.

I should be clear about something here, because there seems to be some confusion about it. When I speak of Europeans or mental Europeans, I’m not allowing for false distinctions. I’m not saying that on the one hand there are the by-products of a few thousand years of genocidal, reactionary European intellectual development which is bad; and on the other hand there is some new revolutionary intellectual development which is good. I’m referring here to the so-called theories of Marxism and anarchism and “leftism” in general. I don’t believe these theories can be separated from the rest of the European intellectual tradition. It’s really just the same old song.

The process began much earlier. Newton, for example, “revolutionized” physics and the so-called natural science by reducing the physical universe to a linear mathematical equation.

Descartes did the same thing with culture. John Locke did it with politics, and Adam Smith did it with economics. Each one of these “thinkers” took a piece of the spirituality of human existence and converted it into a code, an abstraction. They picked up where Christianity ended: they “secularized” Christian religion, as the “scholars” like to say — and in doing so they made Europe more able and ready to act as an expansionist culture. Each of these intellectual revolutions served to abstract the European mentality even further, to remove the wonderful complexity and spirituality from the universe and replace it with a logical sequence: one, two, three. Answer!.

This is what has come to be termed “efficiency” in the European mind. Whatever is mechanical is perfect; whatever seems to work at the moment — that is, proves the mechanical model to be the right one — is considered correct, even when it is clearly untrue. This is why “truth” changes so fast in the European mind; the answers which result from such a process are only stopgaps, only temporary, and must be continuously discarded in favor of new stopgaps which support the mechanical models and keep them (the models) alive.

Hegel and Marx were heirs to the thinking of Newton, Descartes, Locke and Smith. Hegel finished the process of secularizing theology — and that is put in his own terms — he secularized the religious thinking through which Europe understood the universe. Then Marx put Hegel’s philosophy in terms of “materialism,” which is to say that Marx despiritualized Hegel’s work altogether. Again, this is in Marx’ own terms. And this is now seen as the future revolutionary potential of Europe. Europeans may see this as revolutionary, But American Indians see it simply as still more of that same old European conflict between being and gaining. The intellectual roots of a new Marxist form of European imperialism lie in Marx’ — and his followers’ — links to the tradition of Newton, Hegel, and the others.

Being is a spiritual proposition. Gaining is a material act. Traditionally, American Indians have always attempted to be the best people they could. Part of that spiritual process was and is to give away wealth, to discard wealth in order not to gain. Material gain is an indicator of false status among traditional people, while it is “proof that the system works” to Europeans. Clearly, there are two completely opposing views at issue here, and Marxism is very far over to the other side from the American Indian view. But lets look at a major implication of this; it is not merely an intellectual debate.

The European materialist tradition of despiritualizing the universe is very similar to the mental process which goes into dehumanizing another person. And who seems most expert at dehumanizing other people? And why? Soldiers who have seen a lot of combat learn to do this to the enemy before going back into combat. Murderers do it before going out to commit murder. Nazi SS guards did it to concentration camp inmates. Cops do it. Corporation leaders do it to the workers they send into uranium mines and steel mills. Politicians do it to everyone in sight. And what the process has in common for each group doing the dehumanizing is that it makes it all right to kill and otherwise destroy other people. One of the Christian commandments says, “Thou shalt not kill,” at least not humans, so the trick is to mentally convert the victims into nonhumans. Then you can proclaim violation of your own commandment as a virtue.

In terms of the despiritualization of the universe, the mental process works so that it become virtuous to destroy the planet. Terms like progress and development are used as cover words here, the way victory and freedom are used to justify butchery in the dehumanization process. For example, a real-estate speculator may refer to “developing” a parcel of ground by opening a gravel quarry; development here means total, permanent destruction, with the earth itself removed. But European logic has gained a few tons of gravel with which more land can be “developed” through the construction of road beds. Ultimately, the whole universe is open — in the European view — to this sort of insanity.

Most important here, perhaps, is the fact that Europeans feel no sense of loss in this. After all, their philosophers have despiritualized reality, so there is no satisfaction (for them) to be gained in simply observing the wonder of a mountain or a lake or a people in being. No, satisfaction is measured in terms of gaining material. So the mountain becomes gravel, and the lake becomes coolant for a factory, and the people are rounded up for processing through the indoctrination mills Europeans like to call schools.

But each new piece of that “progress” ups the ante out in the real world. Take fuel for the industrial machine as an example. Little more than two centuries ago, nearly everyone used wood — a replenishable, natural item — as fuel for the very human needs of cooking and staying warm. Along came the Industrial Revolution and coal became the dominant fuel, as production became the social imperative for Europe. Pollution began to become a problem in the cities, and the earth was ripped open to provide coal whereas wood had simply been gathered or harvested at no great expense to the environment. Later, oil became the major fuel, as the technology of production was perfected through a series of scientific “revolutions.” Pollution increased dramatically, and nobody yet knows what the environmental costs of pumping all that oil out of the ground will really be in the long run. Now there’s an “energy crisis,” and uranium is becoming the dominant fuel.

Capitalists, at least, can be relied upon to develop uranium as fuel only at the rate at which they can show a good profit. That’s their ethic, and maybe that will buy some time. Marxists, on the other hand, can be relied upon to develop uranium fuel as rapidly as possible simply because it’s the most “efficient” production fuel available. That’s their ethic, and I fail to see where it’s preferable. Like I said, Marxism is right smack in the middle of the European tradition. It’s the same old song."

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 163 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Everyone who thinks this seems to forget that they have to live through the collapse of civilization. It's not gonna be pleasant.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Accelerationists aren't exactly deep thinkers who understand entropy.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It reminds me too much of these moments in RTS games, or Sim City, that time you got hit hard and you have to rebuild, but don't have resources to build, but to get more resources you need to build infrastructure. It can take so long to get out of that rut, and that's of you don't get hit by another calamity.

Sometimes I think any policy maker should play a game of old school Sim City 2000 and we can all see how they do before we vote for them.

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No spoilers, I know, but have you watched the news recently?

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 24 points 1 week ago (8 children)

No, I know. Like I said, it's not going to be pleasant.

It's already not pleasant, but it's going to not be, too.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 1 week ago (4 children)

ah, exactly what i missed from reddit: ableist wojak PCM nonsense. lovely.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 20 points 1 week ago

Very first reaction I had and thankful I wasn't the only one…

[–] Melodic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Political Compass Memes, it was a subreddit that sucked.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago (9 children)

What's up with this centrist nonsense? It's a good thing to want to change the existing power structures actually.

[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 1 week ago (22 children)

I only see mockery of accelerationists, which I broadly support. Its 10 times easier to reform an existing government that to destroy and build a good one from scratch.

[–] lyricanna@ttrpg.network 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To be fair, the only reason I sound like an accelerationist, is because the building is clearly on fire right now and I'm presuming its structural at this point. So yeah, while I wish it didn't get to this point, it feels likely that we will have to rebuild things from the ground up.

[–] match@pawb.social 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

life hack: begin building new social structures before the current ones collapse

[–] silverlose@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Accelerationists HATE him for this one weird trick, click to read more

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

You sound like an accelerationist because you think things are unsalvageable? Go figure.

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I suspect that it's a mental error to imagine that there's one ideal ideology to start with.

For example, I think the founding fathers of America envisioned that the federal government would be smaller than the state governments. It's not completely insane to imagine supporting true libertarians for a federal government and a progressive left wing party for a state government.

But people aren't that mentally flexible. If they vote right wing for federal government, they will never vote left wing for state government. And so, despite the fact that capitalism can solve certain problems quite efficiently, the fact that it's utterly unsuited to solve our most common problems like making sure people have basic essentials means that libertarianism is a bit of a dead end, unless people can actually learn to think flexibly.

This is one of the basic reasons why Political Compass Memes is such a bad idea. It encourages people to lock in their political identity, rather than remain flexible, and centrism isn't the answer, either. We should be trying to use the right tool for the right job.

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[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Accelerationism is cringe. Do you want to change society? Start doing Prefiguration.

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