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[–] Kennystillalive@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean Kamala did not do better. She went to bed with "moderate" republicans, never pushed back on border security issues and claims of mosts immigrants being criminal - even leaned into them. She knew Israel was supporting Trump, still decided to support Israel and go all in on them.

All she did run on was: "I'm not Trump; I like his stance on immigration and border politics but I am a woman of colour and also support the LGBTQ+. Vote for me! Muhh project 2025!!"

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Admittedly, she would have been better than Trump, but fuck her for sandbagging Sanders in '16.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

In Hillary's defense (ugh) trump is about the only candidate she had a chance to beat

The real problem was the old dnc insisting it should be her, letting her primary campaign fund the dnc, and letting her primary campaign have final say over everything the DNC did during both the primary and general...

She literally staged a hostile takeover of the party funded by billionaires who it turns out we're fine with trump and even preferred him.

So if you zoom out, it wasn't really Hillary's fault. She was a useful idiot to American's oligarchs whether she knew it or not. Billionaires bought her so she'd buy the DNC and make sure we didn't get anyone even close to Obama again

The really really good news is we finally got the DNC out of neoliberals hands.

The fight over the party already happened, and we won.

So it's important to understand this recent history, but under no circumstances blame the current dnc of 2025 for the bullshit Hillary's people pulled the last 30 years

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Who is 'we', and what exactly did they win? Cause from where I sit Biden and Harris are pretty neoliberal themselves.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Who is ‘we’,

Anyone that's not a Republican or a neoliberal...

Biden and Harris are pretty neoliberal themselves.

What does that have to do with the DNC chair elected about two months ago?

[–] libra00@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I dunno about the DNC chair, but claiming victory after having gotten rid of one neoliberal candidate to just replace them with another seems premature at a minimum. shrug

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Link to news article on the story you're discussing?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

New dnc chair:

https://democrats.org/news/ken-martin-elected-as-new-dnc-chair-commits-to-build-democratic-party-to-win-to-expand-and-to-last/

Hillary funding the dnc and requiring approval of dnc press releases and actions:

Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign—and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.

And

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

But I recommend everyone read the whole thing because it even gets into how the "victory fund" bankrupted state parties leading to Republicans controlling the House today:

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign, Hillary’s people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie’s people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Fun fact, if you live in a blue state and didn't donate to Trump, Hillary is far more responsible for his win then you are even discounting her other campaign issues.

Lot of silent down votes. Sorry to hurt your feelings but facts are facts. Hillary bankrolled Trump.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah. There's no chance of election reform in this country, we're always going to have a two party system without equal votes. So there's no point pushing on the popular vote to help people realise the system is corrupt. Trump winning the popular vote isn't a problem for us at all.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -4 points 4 days ago

Hillary bankrolled Trump.

Are you saying the DNC produced ads against trump's RNC opponents or are you saying Hillary donated money to trump's campaign?

Because "Hillary bankrolled trump" is not true, by a longshot.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Everyone's an accelerationist until their neighbors get hungry.

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