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I am still subscribed to slatestarcodex on reddit, and this piece of garbage popped up on my feed. I didn't actually read the whole thing, but basically the author correctly realizes Trump is ruining everything in the process of getting at "DEI" and "wokism", but instead of accepting the blame that rightfully falls on Scott Alexander and the author, deflects and blames the "left" elitists. (I put left in quote marks because the author apparently thinks establishment democrats are actually leftist, I fucking wish).

An illustrative quote (of Scott's that the author agrees with)

We wanted to be able to hold a job without reciting DEI shibboleths or filling in multiple-choice exams about how white people cause earthquakes. Instead we got a thousand scientific studies cancelled because they used the string “trans-” in a sentence on transmembrane proteins.

I don't really follow their subsequent points, they fail to clarify what they mean... In sofar as "left elites" actually refers to centrist democrats, I actually think the establishment Democrats do have a major piece of blame in that their status quo neoliberalism has been rejected by the public but the Democrat establishment refuse to consider genuinely leftist ideas, but that isn't the point this author is actually going for... the author is actually upset about Democrats "virtue signaling" and "canceling" and DEI, so they don't actually have a valid point, if anything the opposite of one.

In case my angry disjointed summary leaves you any doubt the author is a piece of shit:

it feels like Scott has been reading a lot of Richard Hanania, whom I agree with on a lot of points

For reference the ssc discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1jyjc9z/the_edgelords_were_right_a_response_to_scott/

tldr; author trying to blameshift on Trump fucking everything up while keeping up the exact anti-progressive rhetoric that helped propel Trump to victory.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago

And of course somebody goes full transphobia in the comments (with one of the dumbest arguments, which I will not repeat here because transphobia)

[–] aninjury2all@awful.systems 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We should aim for better elites

Why not a world with zero elites buddy

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Keep in mind the author isn't just (or even primarily) counting ultra wealth and establishment politicians as "elites", they are also including scientists trying to educate the public on their area of expertise (i.e. COVID, Global Warming, Environmentalism, etc.), and sociologists/psychologists explaining problems the author wants to ignore or are outright in favor of (racism/transphobia/homophobia).

[–] aninjury2all@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Do any of these rats have even the slightest inkling that all the programs they attack as ‘DEI’ or w/e amount to window dressing to stave off much more substantial reorganization of our society? …Bueller?

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

That sounds like actual leftism, so no they really don't have the slightest inkling, they still think mainstream Democrats are leftist (and Democrats with some traces of leftism like Bernie or AOC are radical extremist leftists).

[–] maol@awful.systems 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

We wanted to be able to hold a job without reciting DEI shibboleths or filling in multiple-choice exams about how white people cause earthquakes. Instead we got a thousand scientific studies cancelled because they used the string “trans-” in a sentence on transmembrane proteins.

If you were too racist to see the wood for the trees, that's your problem comrade! Well, actually it's everyone's problem now.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 4 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Really manning that steel bro. It must have taken a lot of effort not to put the echo symbols on (((DEI shibboleths))). Out of spite, I'll now proceed to somehow incorporate the idea that white people cause earthquakes into my worldview.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 points 13 minutes ago

im pretty sure that fracking was invented by white people

[–] maol@awful.systems 1 points 3 hours ago

California just had a small one the other day, so maybe Scott Alexander's shitty opinions cause earthquakes.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

It’s likely that white people are overrepresented on the boards of fracking companies; if so, they don’t not cause earthquakes

[–] diz@awful.systems 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

He’s such a complete moron. He doesn’t want to recite “DEI shibboleths”? What does he even think that would refer to? Why shibboleths?

To spell it out, that would refer to an antisemitic theory that the reason (for example) some black guy would get a medal of honor (the “deimedal”) is because of the jews.

I swear this guy is dumber than Trump. Trump for all his rambling, uses actual language - Trump understands what the shit he is saying means to his followers. Scott… he really does not.

[–] maol@awful.systems 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think Scott Alexander is entitled to get annoyed about excessive anti-racism programmes in the workplace given that he is well known to be very racist.

Hell, maybe he has done an above-average number of unconscious bias trainings and DEI workshops and racism book clubs, but it's because he keeps talking about how black people are mentally inferior at work and making him do training is cheaper than firing him.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 2 points 3 hours ago

Is he an employee somewhere with a HR department? I thought he was either self-employed (and thus only answerable to potential clients) or living comfortably off some kind of Thielian racism stipend.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah if the author had any self awareness they might consider why the transphobes and racists they have made common cause with are so anti-science and why pro-science and college education people lean progressive, but that would lead to admitting their bigotry is opposed to actual scientific understanding and higher education, and so they will understood come up with any other rationalization.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The first part of that sentence is such a great example of what is wrong with Slatestarcodex style rationalism. It instantly fails the "Victorian Sufi Buddha Lite” comment policy (it is neither kind, charitable, nor backed up by evidence, also it is culture war). But that is only if think SSC is grey tribe, and these rules are rules. It is more rules in the way of how conservatism has rules. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” (quote is by a Frank Wilhoit, just not the one people attribute it too). (I know it isn't directly posted in the ssc comments, but isn't that a nice way to get around the comment policy).

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the extreme wing of the liberal elite (e.g. Taylor Lorenz)

transmissions from the woman-hating dimension

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The culture war far right has an extreme hateboner for Taylor Lorenz, it is one of those really crazy things (they have a lot of hateboners for random people, which they keep for decades, and as you said almost always women).

E: on that note, apparently culture warrior rightwingers are still mad about the 'choose man or bear' thing, and in a way that justifies the points made by the org thought experiment on how men are more likely to be malicious and unpredictable. Holy shit we suck so much at listening to people when we think the source is a woman.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think if we continue pushing current trends, in the next ten years we could finally instigate the Gender War! Ten thousand years in the making!

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Command & Conquer, but Kane is a woman and also correct.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"We convinced the dumbest people in the country that our made-up problems were real, and now we have a sad because they took us seriously."

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At its heart I think that the real problem. The right has built up "wokeness" into this all-consuming conspiracy theory that is responsible for everything, which was an effective way to take power by offering simple plans that hurt people that large swathes of the voting public already believed had it too good, but now that they're in power they need to actually do something about this fictitious issue they've convinced themselves is at the heart of all problems, and this is what that looks like. There is no simple common-sense policy that would protect people from "being forced to say DEI shibboleths" or whatever they're whining about because nobody is forcing you to do that in the first place, but you can't sweep in on a wave of "antiwokism" and do nothing about it.

I'm actually reminded of the similar bizzaro push against "color revolutions" that seems to animate Putin and some of the other crazies in international politics. Like, it's pretty obviously bullshit if for no other reason than because it it was possible to culturally mind control a people into overthrowing their governments by throwing a relatively tiny sum of money at some artists and shouting a lot there's no way that the CIA would have gone after Kyrgyzstan and Ukraine but not Russia itself. But a lot of Russian foreign policy, including the invasion of Ukraine, seems to be at least partially in response to this imagined threat from a nonexistent conspiracy, and the blood flowing down the Dnipro is the cost that the world is paying for that delusion.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

When people push for this kind of delusional shit for their own political gain I always think of fantasy demonology which goes 'do not summon that which you cannot put down'. Also why I think lying for political gain (which people keep pushing for the left to also start doing, argh) is such a bad strategy if you care about actual real things and people. And I don't get it in a way, there is enough bad shit to point to, why make up stuff.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

‘do not summon that which you cannot put down’

In that vein, Mao's cultural revolution was one of the stupidest moments in human history. The MAGAs of the world seem rather intent on trying to top it. Have the Proud Boys eaten anyone yet?

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

Have the Proud Boys eaten anyone yet?

My bet, yes but it has not been publicly revealed.

[–] rook@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago

do not summon that which you cannot put down

Mitch McConnell shouting “Back! Back I tell you! I am your creator! I command you!” to the shambling form of Trump, who gives zero shits.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

I mean... Democrats making dishonest promises of actual leftist solutions would be them making any acknowledgement of actual leftism, so I would count that as net progress compared to their current bland status quo maintenance. But yeah, your overall point is true.