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[–] turmoil@hexbear.net 56 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm getting a little uncomfortable with the whole "all gen Z men are fascists" rhetoric lately. I don't think that's true. way too many of them are for sure, but there's plenty of leftists or at least radlibs too. a lot of Gen Z men at those campus protests for Palestine. from what I can tell Gen Z has been radicalized in all sorts of different directions, but the media only wants to talk about the ones who have been radicalized to the right... for some reason

and let's not act like older men are any better. millennials and Gen X created the manosphere and a lot of them are consuming it too

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 6 days ago

Band-wagon appeal. They want to make the far-right even more popular by making many young men think that everyone else in their group is as well.

[–] autism_2@hexbear.net 53 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Psyop article I don't believe men from older generations are any better and especially not the ones going after 19 year old women

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If we take this graph at face value (it's boxed in by the US party duopoly and the nost extreme young men probably weren't interested in a poll about their beliefs) it amounts to a political divergence between the genders and young men being relatively more conservative:

Gen Z men, Deckman noted, have “reverted to the mean of men”: while they’re not necessarily more conservative that most men, they are more conservative than their millennial counterparts.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/aug/07/gen-z-voters-political-ideology-gender-gap

[–] autism_2@hexbear.net 16 points 6 days ago

Thx for the info. Adding that a man identifying with left/lib politics doesn't guarantee him to not be a misogynist, but a young woman may not yet recognize that.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 4 points 6 days ago

Using the xkcd creepiness rule, it's creepy if he's over 24. If she's 19 and he's 22, that seems fine to me.

[–] eyyImwalkin@hexbear.net 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I originally wanted to date ~28 and up year olds but 22-25 year olds kept hitting on me

I have never gone after a woman, only waited (I'm 32 yo)

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 51 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Honestly I feel like I'm taking crazy pills whenever people online talk about this, I barely see any tate influence in the young men I know. The older folks seem wildly misogynistic, in comparison.

And these aren't even just people from like orgs, I volunteer at high schools and professional associations with student wings (in a generally conservative industry) where I meet plenty of young people.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I would like to see any empirical evidence to suggest what percent actually like him/other misogynistic icons. It is definitely far too many but I imagine the media might just be trying to get clicks and shares by saying that everyone is.

[–] AstroStelar@hexbear.net 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

In the Netherlands the public broadcaster polled young men and found that one in four "agreed (partially) with Andrew Tate" and that in that group half of them agreed with his statement that women are lazy compared to men.

If you look at support for the far-right, it's usually much higher among young men than among young women, except in France where the RN scores high among both. On average the far-right is supported by a third of young men, going by an EU poll from 2024: https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-young-people-right-wing-voters-far-right-politics-eu-elections-parliament/

The most damning study is this one, where 60% of Gen Z men believe the US has become "too soft and feminine": https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/aug/07/gen-z-voters-political-ideology-gender-gap

However, it says that this doesn't make them exceptionally conservative, it only looks like it because young women are turning left at a high rate, creating a large political gap between the genders:

Gen Z men, Deckman noted, have “reverted to the mean of men”: while they’re not necessarily more conservative that most men, they are more conservative than their millennial counterparts.

Note: the graph only considers "liberals" and "conservatives"

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 6 days ago

Interesting, I do wonder how much this is influenced by willingness to fill out a poll on the subject, as I imagine that many would not unless they already had some position taken on the matter. Definitely a problem one way or another though

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago
[–] whogivesashit@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In my experience, a lot of these dudes are also incredibly aware of how their politics are perceived in general and don't espouse them as blatantly as someone from an older generation might.

Being someone masc presenting at work, I've had several instances where I ended up alone with other young male coworkers and was subjected to outpouring of misogynistic nonsense when they thought they have someone who was on their side and wouldnt report them.

And whats more crazy is I've never been close to any of these people outside of a work environment and never discussed anything remotely personal at all. They genuinely just thought "here's another male, they'll agree with me". Mostly millennial more than gen-z if that matters to anyone.

For more personal anecdotes about the older generation thing. I've had two older like gen-z bosses who just blatantly pointed out women's bodies they were eyeing while we were walking into work with like a crowd of people. Boss dynamics make it also different but it just also feels like younger dudes wouldn't be as blatant idk.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago

Hmm, you might have a point. I could definitely see them being better at keeping it to themselves.

can't help but laugh that these were the same people making fun of Arabs for being "misogynistic"

Colonizers always project

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think this may be a little overblown. "Gurus" offering the magic solution to teenage boys/young adults to get girls to notice them have been around for decades. A lot of these kids will grow out of it once they realise it doesn't actually work, and the "trick" is to just be understanding and empathetic.

That being said, I've got a friend in their early 20s and her dating experiences do seem to reflect this sort of thing, seems like at least 60% of guys on dating apps fall for this bullshit. Though it could be survivorship bias, they are gross creeps, so they don't get a girlfriend and thus remain on the app much longer than the guys who aren't total creeps.

[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago

Good thing I'm 21 sweat

[–] Meltyheartlove@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

Should have taken the transparent pill.

[–] rhubarb@hexbear.net 127 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A feminist guy who is in his late twenties and dates a 19-year-old

[–] Hexboare@hexbear.net 72 points 1 week ago

A regular Joss Whedon

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[–] uglyface@hexbear.net 80 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I've worked really hard to make sure my 18 year old doesn't fall into the manosphere/mra/conservative trap. It has taken a lot of actual active parenting, discussions and compassion. Knowing all his peers and their parents... I guess we're screwed.

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Understanding dialectial materialism negates any such ridiculous concepts

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[–] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 65 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I’m gen Z and my partner is a millennial guy #AgeGap #PowerDynamics

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(we were born in ‘98 and ‘95, respectively) picard-troll

[–] turmoil@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago

stuff like this really illustrates how fake generations are. you're in a "different generation" with someone 3 years older, but in the "same generation" as someone 15 years younger, while your partner is in the "same generation" as someone 15 years older

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