Both sides are the same : politicalhumor

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The real problem is that there are only two sides.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

True, however, and this may come as a shock to some folks, this is not a problem that's solved by not voting or throwing your vote away on a protest candidate.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, always vote. The electoral college system ensures that there can only be two parties. That is why it is one of the few points of agreement between Democrats and Conservatives not to finally abolish this system.

So it's just a choice between the lesser of two evils - but the greater evil is indeed profoundly evil, as the last 100 days have shown.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For anyone wondering:

It is solved by being consistenty and proactively involved in local politics, and voting in reform candidates at the local and state level, over a long period of time.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Also adding primaries are important. You want a candidate out? Get involved with their opposition at the primary phase, but don't just rage quit when your candidate loses. Vote for the party that's not actively trying to subvert democracy, and then primary that fucker again next time.

[–] piefood@feddit.online -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, it's also not solved by voting for either of the two existing candidates.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You missed the whole video didn't you?

[–] piefood@feddit.online -2 points 1 month ago

Sure didn't. I'm not sure how it's related to what I said

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

The real problem is extreme sides. Think about this, what are the rights going to do when theres no lefts or immigrants left? There will be no one there to stand with them

[–] sittinonatoilet@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 month ago

A lot of comments are trying to reenact black shirt.

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

This post is an irony magnet.

Both sides are not the same, but both are really shitty. One is really shitty⁵

[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I view the two parties as a hammer (republicans) and an anvil (democrats). The hammer actively makes life worse and the anvil is there to support the shape that the US has been hammered into. For one example, look at how the democrats have moved right on immigration and deportation, following the republican lead, over the last several administrations. Don't vote for the hammer, sure, but the anvil sure as hell isn't gonna change things back to how they were.

[–] KreekyBonez@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

hammer and anvil? two tools that are useful together to make shapeless and formless materials better, stronger, and more valuable?

I wish the US had two parties like that; shit might actually start getting better for the metal class.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee -3 points 1 month ago

This is a solid analogy. Thank you for this.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

one is akin of eating shit, the other one is akin to eating poisoned shit

[+] piefood@feddit.online -6 points 1 month ago

Are both sides the same? No.

But but sides: Put rapists into office. Support the bombing of innocent people, including children. Supprt genocide. Fight against the wishes of the working-class. Support draconian border controls. Give handouts to their rich friends, while claiming that they can't afford to help the homeless. Support our terrible healthcare system. Support an openly corrupt police system. Continually over-fund the Pentagon and Military.

Sure, the Republicans are a 2, but the Democrats are only a 3. Is one better than the other? Yes, but I'm looking for a 9 or a 10, and I can understand why people give up and just say that both sides are the same, even if I technically disagree with them.

[+] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Both sides are corrupt.

One side is WAAAAY better at getting things done.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is corruption in the leadership of both parties, that does not mean both are corrupt to the core. I do think one has a much tighter stranglehold on policy and messaging, though.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, if the democrats were as corrupt as the republicans they might be able to hold onto power for more than six months out of the last 25 years

[+] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml -31 points 1 month ago (4 children)

They are the same. Barring the last 10 years of wannabe dictator shenanigans.

Go back to Obama and Bush. Their policy overlap was damn near a circle.

Warmongering and domestic spying. Both of them. And don't @ me about goddamn Romneycare. If you still haven't figured out that particular bit of theater you're either too young to have a political opinion or an actual moron.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Republicans 20 years ago were quite different to republicans now though.

[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

War and tax cuts. And they hated the gays. And videogames for some dumbass reason.

They're still all those things. But back then they were losing their ass. So they leaned hard into nationalism and cultural grievance to motivate their base. They created The Tea Party, the Tea Party morphed into MAGA. And now we're here. With a failed gameshow host ruining everything.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

So you're saying they were quite different, just with methodology and mentality rather than ideals.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 2 points 1 month ago

No, they weren't.

Project 2025 is just a compilation of what conservatives have been screaming about for decades. The Supreme Court is the culmination of 40 years of work by the Federalist Society.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Obama also loved shipping people off to black sites without due process. (It's called extraordinary rendition, because that sounds better than kidnapping.)

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Ah yes, the only two things either of them did.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago

This sounds about white

[+] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world -33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

These memes are so tired.

The only differences between the two sides are performative, and that is why ten million voters didn't bother to vote in the last election and both presumptive candidates had evident brain damage.

You want to talk food safety? Remember the Boar's Head recall, just last September? On immigration, do people need a reminder that Tom Homan got his first appointment by Obama? How about Israel? We've seen the Dems enthusiastically bloodying their hands for a generation now.

Show me something meaningful, not "strongly worded letters", and then giving Trump exactly what he wants when you can shut down the government. Fucking collaborators.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You.. you realize we won’t have recalls anymore, right..? All those recalls we’ve had the last few years on meat, nuts, eggs, carrots.. we just wouldn’t have had them. The tainted products will not be recalled. The problem was not the recalls. The recalls were the solution.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Recalls are not a solution they are a rectification. A solution is proper regulation in food production which neither party is particularly interested in. No one is denying that things have gotten worse. The argument from "same-sidesers" is not that things would be just as bad if Democrats were in power, its that neither party is interested in improving the conditions of the working class. One of them actively seeks to degrade those conditions sure, but pretending that the party which lets them degrade on their own while claiming things are fine is a solution is foolish.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Recalls are a solution though.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Do you not know what rectification means? Recalls correct a wrong, they do not solve them. A solution is something that prevents the wrong from happening in the first place. Recalls do not prevent harm from occurring, they minimize the harm.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Minimizing the harm is correcting the problem though.

Preventing the wrong is important too but recalls are the solution to humans and processes not being infallible.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If am entirely honest with you, regulation isn't even a full solution but I wasn't willing to go further than that here. Idk if you are trolling or just dense but solving societal problems in that manner completely ignores the reasons those problems occur. You can't solve a problem if you never address the cause of that problem. Contamination in our food isn't caused by inevitable intermitant human error. Its caused by severely underpaid and overworked workers managed by a company that will always prioritize profits over human lives. Our food gets contaminated because it is more profitable to run a business that cuts corners and ignores regulation. Its not woopsy daisy accidents because humans are fallible, its just how business is done. So when food is recalled it does not solve the problem that caused people to get hurt. It only minimizes further damage and if anything protects that company from public outrage. The problen with your analysis is that you see every instance of contaminated food as a singular problem rather than part of a larger pattern of behavior enabled not only by our economic system but also by government ineptitude.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Capitalism doesn’t cause all food contaminations sometimes mistakes happen or machines fail and food goes out with something wrong with it not because management is trying to make some extra money.

When food gets recalled it may not solve the initial problem but it sure as hell makes sure no one else is affected by it.

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