this post was submitted on 09 May 2025
400 points (93.7% liked)

furry_irl

1556 readers
129 users here now

"For the fur in u"

Welcome to Furry_irl, a community for furry memes, shitposts, and other relatable images or comics.

Community rules:

  1. Code of Conduct — Follow our instance rules.
  2. Post formatting — All titles should be a single word, followed by _irl. An emoji may substitute the underscore.
  3. Credit artists — If it's not your art, include who made it in the title or the post body. Links are appreciated, except to X/Twitter.
  4. Stay on topic — Images should contain or be related to furries. Images should be relatable or a meme. This isn't the place for general art posts.
  5. Avoid AI images — Our fandom has countless artists, please share their (or your own) labors of love instead.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Source (Bluesky)

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People can have opinions about AI or dislike it, the problem is that a lot of Anti-AI people don't understand that facts must be based on and supported by reality. Something that isn't the case with this argument considering that:

  1. There are open-source volunteer run services that are in fact free, and open-source (@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com already mentioned the AIhorde in the other thread), and to add to that...
  2. There are low power models that can run on a standard GPU and cooling, if one has a gaming PC they can run it themselves for the price and energy usage of a gaming session.

You can dislike that people use AI software, but the things you say need to align with reality otherwise it's lying and it costs you credibility. Strawman arguments and ad-homeim aren't going to fix that or make you seem more right. At the end of the day people are entitled to their own opinions. However facts rarely care about people's feelings, and in this case they don't care about yours. I await the logical fallacies that people will spit out to try and combat this.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

As much as i hate AI generated art, this is a shit argument. You can run an AI on your phone (which you would have anyway) without a subscription. You can also doodle on your phone for free.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah I feel it would be better if they they have shown the sheer cost of making these models and their upkeep instead.

It's perfectly fine price to use in cancer treatment. But when they mention AI girlfriends I want to scream.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago

It's not even the cost of training the AI. A better argument is that using AI for art is pure fucking laziness in 99.9% of cases.

Also, why have an AI waifu when you can have a real one and touch grass at the same time?

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Also if you're not an idiot you can buy a workable smart phone for 100$ if you want

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

I keep seeing this kind of argument, and I understand, but I disagree.

The comparison isn't between using an ai service and doing it yourself, but rather between using an ai service and commissioning an actual artist. I can afford $20/mo for infinite mediocrity. I cannot afford $20/image (or more depending on the artist).

Of course, there is a flaw in my argument, in that I was assuming that the techbro was being honest. People aggressively pushing dalle or midjourney or whatever aren't interested in "making art accessible". They hate art and artists, and want to force creative types to be miserable doing jobs they hate. I have to remind myself that this is the kind of person that the comic is complaining about.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Lol right, because there are no free AI art services and you need a dedicated iPhone to do AI art. OP forgot to add $400 for a leather upholstered "gaming chair".

[–] mke@programming.dev 1 points 4 days ago

I'm sure those free services run on pure hopes and dreams and will do so forever.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What someone practiced can do with nothing, and what a newbie can do with nothing, drastically differ.

These dipshits are trying to communicate that this tech offers half-decent results. Immediately. For no effort. They could surely do better, themselves... if they spent an entire year trying. Opportunity be damned, most people just don't want to. Developing a skill is a process that sucks. Vanishingly few people learn to paint portraits, and code games, and play piano. But any idiot can now use a program to do a half-assed job of all three.

Experienced artists, programmers, and musicians will recognize the flaws. They can declare the results useless slop. But it's being generated by people who would do even worse without it.

[–] ThefuzzyFurryComrade@pawb.social 4 points 6 days ago (7 children)
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's nice.

Meanwhile, the average person only sees results. They do not seem to share your fundamental aversion to how a JPG was made. They didn't experience whatever grand philosophical journey produced it. It doesn't need to be artisanal grass-fed human Art.™ It either provokes an emotional response, or not.

If AI slop is a text in the absence of subtext, it is still a text. Comes with death-of-the-author built in. And people can still say something with works they did not make themselves... as you're doing right now.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Oh yeah, I forgot everyone is born with inmate talent, time and privilege.

[–] ThefuzzyFurryComrade@pawb.social 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

(Unavailable at source)

Source (Bluesky)

[–] CommissarVulpin@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I know what I want to draw, but there's something missing between that idea and the paper. I can imagine what I want it to look like, in a way, but only as a vague reification of a concept, not as something made of lines and colors, and it's useless for trying to get it down on paper. I inevitably end up with something so far from my original idea that it's massively discouraging.

I expect that I'd develop a better eye for this sort of thing if I was to practice it for years, but it's very difficult to feel motivated to do that when you can't produce anything remotely like what you were going for.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] yuri@pawb.social 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

“innate talent” is a pervasive idea that undercuts years of work and practice. art is HARD and most people just don’t find the doing part to be fulfilling.

everyone wants to make a masterpiece, but no one is born with some kinda artist-gene that gives them the ability to do so as if by magic. outside of savants at least, but that’s a whole other thing lmao

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Yes, talent is oversold and used as an excuse to often HOWEVER there ARE differences in people's skill level and rate of learning. Especially if learning disabilities are involved.

I really really wanna draw regularly. And i practice regularly have for years. Ive gotten much better than couple years ago me but overall my art still sucks (others confirm not just the usual artist hates own work) and it's mainly because i have a learning disability that affects my spacial reasoning and ability to visualize shapes.

This may come as a surprise to some people but that makes drawing very difficult, i can't get proportions correct and I struggle to find shapes. My best drawings are ones that i practically traced the initial outline to get the shapes. AI generated art absolutely makes getting an idea out of my head more accessible. And i can then trace the outline of the ai art and draw the rest myself.

I know people hate it but just blindly saying "anyone can draw just do it bro" is basically just as worthless of an argument that ignores reality

[–] yuri@pawb.social 5 points 6 days ago

this too, it’s a lot like singing in that way. anyone can train their vocal control, but some folks just will have a much harder time with it for all sorts of reasons they can’t control. both sides of that “only some people can do it/anyone can do it” coin can be damaging for their own reasons.

i think it’s really important to talk about these things in a frank way, thank you for contributing to the discussion ^^

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

To be blunt, I think the powers behind project 2025 do believe the common man has inmate talent #modernamericanslavery

… but I suspect you meant "innate" talent

[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago

I forgot every artist had all of those things in spades

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›