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[–] moakley@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Every time Rock Paper Scissors comes up, I like to point out the superiority of Odds and Evens for resolving disputes.

Rules:

One player picks Odds, the other player picks Evens.

Someone says, "Odds, Evens, says, SHOOT", and both players put out either one finger or two fingers.

Count the fingers. If it's odd, Odds wins. If it's even, Evens wins.

Exactly 50% chance, no ties. RPS has always been obsolete.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't RPS "meant" to be a game rather than a way to decide randomly between two options? There's an element of skill involved since you can attempt to avoid playing patterns and identify patterns in your opponent's play in repeated rounds

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In game theory, odds and evens is called matching pennies, and RPS is the 3-strategy generalization of matching pennies.

Both are games with cyclic behavior and no pure Nash equilibria.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 2 points 2 weeks ago

Fair enough! That's not a field I've got any knowledge of

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 7 points 2 weeks ago

Is better unbalanced RPS. Play for 5 points, a win with Rocks counts as 2 points.

[–] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's really cool, thanks for sharing.
I'm a bit confused by "odds, evens, says, shoot".
Do both players agree who bets on evens and who on odds, and then they say "SHOOT" and show their fingers?

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's just instead of saying, "Rock, Paper, Scissors, SHOOT!". "Shoot" is when both players put out their hands, just like RPS.

And yes, the players have to agree on which one of them is Odds and which one is Evens beforehand.

When I used to play a game where we had to randomize who went first, my best friend and I decided in advance that I'd always be Evens and he'd always be Odds.

There's no difference, but if you absolutely can't agree on who's what you could always flip a coin for it.

[–] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah I see, thanks for explaining! I feel a bit dense right now, but what is "says" supposed to mean? Or am I thinking about it too much and it's just a fill word to have a four word chant.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

You're thinking about it the right amount. It's a fill word.

I learned the game as a kid and it was one of those things everyone just knows to say, like "olly olly oxen free" or "eeny meeny miny mo." It's just what you say.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 weeks ago

Funny, here in Germany everyone I know goes on the third word, there's no "shoot" equivalent.

Schere, Stein, Papier! And you go on the last syllable of Papier

[–] urquell@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Wait... Why did they have scissors before paper?

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 42 points 2 weeks ago

Cutting ribbons for grand openings.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 19 points 2 weeks ago

Sheep sheering is my uninformed guess

[–] KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago

Hair I would assume.

[–] LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

First attempt at beating rock. Failed miserably.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We had lighters before we had matches. We had cans for 50 years before we had can openers. Sometimes things don't make sense.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Having cans before can openers makes sense though...

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As does scissors before paper, since paper is just one of the many things you can cut with scissors

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

I wasn't commenting on that in any way. I explicitly stated which item I was commenting on and how it does not make a good analogy.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

You're never too ready, that's what I say.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Combined with running to become the first extreme sport.

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you play the original version, the history is different. The original version was rock, scissors, plant. Rock destroys scissors. Scissors cut plant. Plant grows and cracks rock.

[–] weird@sub.wetshaving.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

Imho paper beating rock makes way more sense /s

[–] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 weeks ago

Now this is some quality post

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

On paper, the rock has the disadvantage

[–] ChanchoManco@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago

Makes me wonder what we will discover on the future and how it'll affect the game.

[–] pepperjohnson@lemm.ee 5 points 2 weeks ago

Where I come from we call it Quartz, Parchment, Shears.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I personally prefer "Rock, Paper, Pistol".

It's like "Rock, Paper, Scissors", but a Balatro-like reimagination of the game. One big change is, that you can use other objects too, with the aforementioned pistol being an instant winner of every round, but at the cost of getting charged with manslaughter and heavy negative karma. This also can unlock an alternative ending, where you will have to fight against increasingly more difficult law-enforcement officials, and finally, the military.

[–] pewpew@feddit.it 4 points 2 weeks ago

The alpha version was like: R O C K

[–] Actionschnils@feddit.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

Im a big fan of the street rule "Ehrenschere" (Honor Scissors)

Both Players agree to take scissors on first turn and play a draw. You are free to take an other figure than scissors on first turn, but then you are "Ehrenlos" (honorless). Something, the street will remember :O