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We take a yearly vacation for our anniversary to the more wild area of our state and when I was driving, there were a few thoughts that came up. They're pretty obvious but I don't know who else to talk about them with.

The first one was the quality of the roads. I'm sure most Americans experience this a lot. You can tell when you enter a new county because right at the county line, the quality of the road changes. Any serious country would have some sort of nationwide standard and you wouldn't notice because the roads would all be nice. I understand that even under communism there will still be pot holes occasionally. Some areas have weather and other environmental factors that wear out the roads faster. Some roads get a lot more traffic etc. without getting into the semi vs train debate, there is also the fact that some companies just use the roads "harder" yet don't pay more into the upkeep funds. Taxing gas to fix roads just isn't enough. Also, the lane sizes differ. How isn't there a standard for that as well? Our car kept beeping at us saying I was crossing the painted line because the roads were super narrow in some places

A similar issue is cell phone coverage. Any serious country would have cell towers as a public utility instead of us having to run the risk of going to an area that has towers, but they don't work with your phone because you chose the wrong service.

Capitalism hasn't even cynically solved it by beating out other competition with actual good service. They have no incentive to.

In short, the illusion of choice sucks and the federal government should equitably distribute the road maintenance funds.

I don't know, just "thinking out loud" I guess

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

uneven development is some real shit in the US.

lots of civic infrastructure is funded by local property taxes, which magnifies any contrast even if the political structure isn't corrupted. which, of course, we know it is. states rarely use funds to level the playing field. they would much rather chase/induce developer interest and exacerbate internal migration, which pushes up property values in the places their political allies own property. on top of that, provisioning of services to distant places is simply less profitable than where people are already concentrated. back during the time of electrification, rural communities would have to form cooperatives to fund their own infrastructure.

to be clear, it can still be profitable, but it's not as profitable as it is to provision services for already developed communities, so it didn't happen.

i've lived and worked in two distinct federal promise zones (one in the eastern half, one in the western half). when i was younger, long before this, i had a casual understanding of the phenomenon until i took a geography class that was focused on natural resources. that gave me a context for extraction and value. when i got the opportunity to go live and work in one (do my part, i guess), i jumped at it because underdeveloped places in the US are the true edges of the map.

it's like a completely different country, hence the terms like "national sacrifice zone" or "internal colony". the language is the same (mostly), but the culture is wildly different. how people relate to institutions at each level, their political development, their contested histories, and the resilience required for day to day life is something many americans in their glittering cityscapes with functional logistical systems, communication infrastructure, and reliable energy delivery would find "extreme". i struggle to explain it to family and people i knew growing up, because they just want to shit on those places, as we are all taught to do despite limited contact.

i totally recommend Phil Neel's Hinterlands if you're down for a read about the geography of class conflict in the 21st century.

for an international comparison, i think spain is instructive in terms of internal migration. spain has some interesting analogs to the US: a once global empire, now collapsed. in its wake, a fascist project that had decades to run amok. one of the drastic geographic impacts of Franco's policies of market enabled uneven development has been the emptying of much of the countryside and its communities of their people. that article just touches on it, but neoliberal ideology is often at work in the discourse, as people pretend this is just some natural process not worth investigating or considering. which always gives me vibes of how liberals talk about accumulation through dispossession, the enclosure of the commons, etc. like people wanted to leave their homes and families to go work in a factory for a wage from the same asshole who owned the box they rented and the store they bought food from.

looking at these collapsed empires is perhaps a window into the future of the US.

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Great post! I'm going to look into this a little just because it is a bit interesting. To a layman like me, I could see how it "is just the way it is" to most people. If someone with authority tells them that state funds blah blah over property tax and federal money blah blah it goes over people's heads and they won't look into it further. Nobody really pulls back the scope and sees it on a national level, and how efficient it would be to fix it.

A better life is not possible because we are too tired and beat down to do research into things that would better our lives. Plus all someone has to do is call it socialism and suddenly you lose 80% of your audience.

On top of that, the government acts like there's no way to reappropriate funds from somewhere else. As if there is some enforcement mechanism that would prevent them from looking at the pool of money as one thing. The people against it always deflect with "there just isn't money in that particular bucket. Sorry. Now let's dump three brand new planes into the Indian ocean"

Reading comments like yours makes me wish I was smarter, and it pushes me to learn more

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the geography / natural resources angle is one that opened my eyes to a basic truth obscured by the logic of "rich areas" and "poor areas". similar to a big city's wealthy districts and it's slums, the rich places are dependent on the poor places. some of the poorest places in the US have provided the natural resources and labor required to extract and build / concentrate the enormous wealth of our world class cities.

by underdeveloping these places and orienting them to extraction only, their resources are taken more cheaply. in this way, much of the wealth of the world class city is ill gotten and a product of its political power to mediate exchange.

a really good book that is probably too exhaustive (took me months to get through) is a geographic/environmental history of Chicago called "Nature's Metropolis" by William Cronon. it was a finalist for a Pulitzer.

I'm sort of a "history comes alive" type of weirdo, so I love shit like that. but it changed the way I think about things pretty significantly.

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That sounds a lot like where I live. I wanted a home in the woods and I got it, but we don't make a ton of money so we bought in a place that is heavily trump country and a lot of the industry is tree cutting. I've watched over the last 6 years how they have been exploiting the forests on my commute to build slapdash housing and more hotels and weed stores for the tourist town nearby. Every little town around here shots on the one next door like you described. The resort town looks down on the five or six towns surrounding. I live in one of those and "we" (not me) shit on the one down the road. There's virtually no difference between my little town and the one we pick on.

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Capitalism is a cancer on society.

[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Bugs. I used to dread the death toll on my windshield. Now it barely happens.