I’ve stayed off it since the blackout started, but I did visit a sub yesterday that I used to read regularly about a topic I haven’t seen covered here. I left after a few minutes because it really seemed like no one there had anything intelligent or interesting to say, but maybe I’ve forgotten just how much crap I used to scroll through before landing on something decent. Either way, I’m OK with not going back.
I left after a few minutes because it really seemed like no one there had anything intelligent or interesting to say
Reddit has always been that way to an extent. Half of the time it's just people making bad jokes and quirky references that border on derailing the thread to get that sweet karma dopamine boost.
I stayed off of it for a bit after the first 48, because I needed one of the support subs there. Then the Titan news was going on and the wealth of shitty remarks about the people in the sub was too much for me. I get the whole ‘eat the rich’ mentality, but the sheer vitriol people had against someone they didn’t know didn’t exactly paint the commenters in a favourable light.
Hoping that such opinion is tempered somewhat over here.
What's goes around, comes around... That sentiment is not coming from a no where. Note how people didn't say similar staff about refugee boat sinking and actually calling media out for lopsided coverage.
These views only get more extreme as social fabric and economic conditions of the working people degrade.
These people spent more than most people will ever save up in their lifetime for a one time ride in a tube. Money that could go to feeding people, planting trees, etc. They had the US Coast Guard and Navy looking for them with helicopters and sonar buoys. One of them was a billionaire who could have done it right like Victor Vascovo, but instead chose to pinch pennies and ride in the Home Depot special.
They cost society massively, they won't pay shit for inheritance tax, their families will remain wealthier than I can ever dream of being. I make decent money and I drive past houses with river views and hot tubs and pools and boats and all sorts of rich people stuff I know I'll never have, those people can't dream of the amount of money these people have. I feel bad for the kid, that's about it.
Not to mention the fact that they are thrill-seeking at a mass grave where a horrific tragedy occurred. Similar circumstances, too. The first class survivor ratio compared to the "steerage" survivors... Kind of like how we pulled out all the stops for these rich fucks but can't be bothered by a boat full of refugees. It's a sign of the times and people have a right to be livid about it.
I think its more likely that the posts on reddit are the same, and we are simply starting to become accustomed to the posts\quality of comments on the fediverse.
Our eyes are finally starting to open.
I think this is really what it is. I've spent a lot of my time here enamored with the quality of conversation, and when I joined it reminded me of the sort of discussion I used to scroll through on forums when I was a kid.
I hadn't seen it since, and I'd gotten so used to the bullshit that I barely remembered the difference. I'd really just chalked up the civility to the forum in question being several dozen regulars who knew each other too well to be dicks.
We need more content, but it's making me kind of averse to pushing so hard to get the rest over here, lest they just bring the shit behavior with them
shit behaviour is one thing the mods are another. I've seen plenty of communities on reddit where the users hated the mods and eventually left and formed their own sub. the fediverse already encourages multiple parallel communities for the same topic. so i hope we can get around the worst of reddit by seeking out and creating healthier communities. Leave the power mods behind.
Yeah. You no longer get first mover's advantage by just taking the obvious forum name, so you no longer get remain the owner of a massive community by default. If people don't like the environment, they'll just find another space with the same name and use that instead.
There will be consternation over the overlapping names, especially by people who fear missing out on something someone is saying (even though they most certainly were not refreshing "New" on forums with 20M subscribers to see what wasn't getting up voted), but for many that'll go away once they realize they can pick "the good version" of a space.
Whatever that means to them.
I remember once, on a world building forum for a group of sci-fi nerds... I dropped a meme to troll trek nerds. (okay so it was a screen grab of the TOS episode where kirk and spoc crashland on that planet where Cochrain was staying with the energy-creature-hottie. You know the scene where spock is building a universal translator...)
Yeah, so the gist of the joke was that Star Wars was better than Star Trek because even Spock wanted a lightsaber.
After their outrage subsided the freaking nerds started trying to figure out a way to build an actual lightsaber. They got everything down 'cept the power source. It was glorious. And not something that would happen on today's reddit.
We need more content, but it's making me kind of averse to pushing so hard to get the rest over here, lest they just bring the shit behavior with them
All places eventually trend towards their Eternal September. In the meantime just push back against it as much you can and enjoy what you got.
We need more content
I spun up an instance because I dislike what Reddit is doing and I want to support this community and help it grow.
Regarding the content you are talking about: https://fediverse.boo/magazines
I've set up automatic news feeds from the BBC, NPR, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and CNN so far to their own magazines. That way you can subscribe to a specific magazine to get articles from the publishers you like. (I'm also still tweaking how much content gets pulled in so its not too much or too little). I also have a catch-all news magazine that I manually curate news article links for.
I plan on adding additional magazines that aggregate links from other websites (not just news) but I am waiting to hear from the community on what content they would like to see.
Ok, thats my like 30 second elevator spiel about my instance and my magazines. Definitely drop me some feedback if there is any additional content I should automatically add to dedicated magazines. Hope to see some new people jumping into discussions on posts over there!
Our eyes are finally starting to open.
Do not ever believe this. This is an intellectual trap that once you dig in to it it's hard to dig out. People like Elon Musk are the type of people who think they see the world for what it really is, and look how stupid they are. Some truths are clearer than others, but you will always be chained down by your own perspective, unconscious biases, and way of thinking. Always keep your mind partially open to new perspectives and do your best to practice intellectual humility.
Always keep your mind partially open to new perspectives and do your best to practice intellectual humility.
This is the basis of true intelligence/wisdom.
The quality has been declining for years now. This last thing has only made it worse, but you're likely now noticing how bad it is because you spend less time on it.
The protest won't work. It's failed in crippling reddit. Reddit will keep going, but as a shadow of its former self, with increasingly shallow discussions and increasingly crappy/old/unoriginal comment.
I'd say the protest did work. A lot of good users and mods left Reddit, the admins massively overplayed their hand and showed their true colors, probably hurting their IPO, the fediverse got enough of an influx of users to get a good kickstart and the next migration wave is just around the corner.
The quality has dropped noticeably after the blackout. This is trajectory for terminal decline, similar to what happened to Digg. Eventually, it will become so stale and uninteresting, they'll just give trying to make Reddit a community and make it entirely a curated content platform.
The protest didn't succeed, but that just means a lot of people who were already disillusioned with Reddit and basically just trying to ignore most of the bad decisions by the admins decided that there was no point in sticking around because it clearly won't get better.
I was a mod of a moderately sized subreddit under a different username, and a lot of the other mods I talked to said that they're done after the 30th. Some of them, like me, already left. And while I know a lot of people like to hate on mods, in most subreddits the mods are doing a ton of work behind the scenes that keeps things on track. Without them, you're completely correct- Reddit will get worse and worse.
I read an article comparing Reddit to a dying mall and honestly it's kinda getting that vibe since the protest
The migration is not gonna happen overnight, but it is happening.
I think the protest crippled reddit considerably. It robbed reddit of a significant number of quality users and moderators, caused an extreme amount of media attention, and created enough of a problem for Google that they had to change course in order to compensate for all the broken links and noticeably poorer search results.
The main reason it looks like it had a much smaller effect is because a lot of missing users have been replaced by bots. And given how hostile those bots are with respect to moderators and the protest, it seems clear that they were put in place by reddit themselves. So don't be fooled by "traffic is normal" announcements and metrics. They mean nothing by themselves.
The protest caused a lot of users to start looking for alternatives and it shed a lot of light on the fediverse, giving it an incredible amount of exposure. People now know that it exists and know that there are alternatives to reddit.
Remember, the worst is yet to come after June 30th when those API changes take effect.
The quality and the traffic. At least in terms of engagement. I knew another mod there that I used to do spamhunting with and we both modded a couple big subs, we were talking about it one day and we were talking about sub traffic, and I noted about 2 years ago there was actually a big decline in traffic in /r/videos, which he modded he said he hadn't noticed it, but when you went to archive.org and compared random front pages to engagement at the time, you noticed that all posts overall had fewer comments and fewer upvotes, we started checking a few more large subs and noticed it was quite similar.
Quality is, to some extent, a mod failing. Mods can't be expected to go out there and produce top quality posts all the time, but they can be expected to keep out the low quality content, and a lot of them don't do that. By ignoring frequently reposted topics, to not bothering to properly apply the rules to keep the posts fully on topic, the subs just declined and declined.
We'd need an objective way to measure lameness and then review a large set of posts (on a particular sub?) from a couple of months ago vs now. Criteria have to be pre-determined to avoid the post hoc fallacy.
Average words or characters per comment? Number of insults directed at other commenters (measured by someone blinded to which group they came from)? Number of "controversial" comments judged by large numbers of up and downvoted?
I dunno. I'm not doing it. Not a social scientist. Just suggesting an interesting experiment.
how about a number of crying laughing emoji per thread?
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A lot of small, shitty subs are popping up on r/all lately, I've noticed. I used to doomscroll and only notice I'd been too far when I started seeing stuff from subs I'd never seen before, like r/artefactporn, r/justguysbeingdudes, or that weird Talylor Swift circlejerk sub. That was usually around pages 7-9, somewhere in there. That was the sign that I'd been scrolling for too long, and probably ought to either touch grass, or at least refresh the page.
Right now, for me, all three of those subs are on the first page of r/all, along with other subs I've never seen (or rarely seen) before the bottom of the barrel, like r/newsofthestupid and r/rabbits. The one from r/rabbits is on the bottom of the front page with less than 1500 upvotes.
Havnt checked so honestly wouldn’t know. Now that I think of it, it’s kind of crazy that Kbin replaced it so easily for me and I am on it far less (which is a good thing tbh).
It’s also testament to how good the experience here has been so far. And how crap reddits response as been.
Yeah I just joined like literally 15 seconds ago and I can already tell this is the place for me, still getting acclimated but it’s great so far
anyone with a brain is protesting. ask yourself who is even left posting. do you know anyone IRL that posts on reddit by the way? I'm telling you it's the age of fake content, shills, influencers, karma bots, scammers, culture war mongers. makes >90% of the content on reddit now
I’m dying with Apollo so I make sure to go upvote Christian appreciation posts and I do not look elsewhere
I want to focus on how I can contribute fediverse rather than worrying about Reddit.
then block this magazine and dont reply lol
I know this has always been an issue for the nearly 12 years I’ve used reddit, but I’ve seen a lot more of the smug redditor comments than normal that remind me of this guy’s skits. Usually I’d only see larger instances of smug know-it-alls when someone brings up religion (since some reddit atheists can’t help themselves), but I’ve personally been seeing more smartass remarks on the weirdest of things.
Has anyone else noticed that as well?
Yeah, ive visited a couple times out of morbid curiousity and its all just lowquality posts, nsfw/jon oliver, and people aggressively licking spez's boots while saying "but uhh fuck spez tho" with his boot in their mouth. Gonna use power delete suite here tonight just in case the api changes disable it, and use fdroids stealth reddit scraper to view the few small subs i actually care about still
I ended up checking a few times via teddit and I noticed the exact same thing. It seems a lot of the non-mod quality contributors have already left.
Those who stayed are probably power users using 3rd party apps. So expect another big drop in quality on July 1st.
Don’t know don’t care, I haven’t been back since the bullshit started.
It sort of feels that way. I honestly can't tell whether I'm just filled with whatever the internet site equivelent is for "New Relationship Energy" or whether this place is better. It seems better.
I think part of it is the fediverse has so much potential to get better while reddit seems to have been gradually introducing more and more things I don't like.
Could be that the posts were always that bad, but now your perception is being colored by the current events. It's certainly possible that a lot of the better contributors have left, though, or at least are less active.
I see the drop in quality over there as the more technical (the best?) people migrate to the Fediverse. As others have noted, I'm not looking forward to all Redditors coming here and dropping the quality.
Old timers like me remember the quality of Usenet prior to ISPs making it available during the Eternal September. Before then, people on Usenet were largely college students or higher. Quality on Usenet really declined when it opened up to the masses, especially after AOL made Usenet available to its subscribers.
I've found that the quality of Reddit comments has degraded over the past few years, with lame jokes and low-effort regurtitated talking points getting upvoted to the top of most threads. Which is fine. I'm full of lame jokes. But it's just not what I'm (mostly) interested in.
KBin, Lemmy, et al. seem to be better but also suffer from a lack of any commentary, interesting or otherwise. I expect that'll get better as more people engage over here.
On the other hand, I haven't been back to Reddit much since the great unleavening.
I'd have to look there to know 🤷
TBH, the only times I've visited since this whole thing began have been from Google searches. I miss a couple of subs, but I think Lemmy/Kbin will fill that void in due time.
I came to Reddit in 2019, it felt nice then (avoided anything but tech discussions, though). Since 2020 it has been consistently getting worse, maybe before that too.
Anyway, centralization is bad. I'm not coming back.
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