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[-] Overcast@lemmy.world 103 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unlike some of the 3P [third-party] apps, we are not profitable

It's their own fault. They didn't have to take hundred of millions of venture capital and hire thousands of people. They didn't have to go try to become a XX billion dollars company fighting with Facebook and Tiktok.

They could be profitable with a hundred engineers, a hundred support staff and reasonable ads. They could make delivering ads part of their API and have 3rd party apps serve them for them. They could let those 3rd party app handle the mobile markets since those solo devs are creating better apps than the hundreds of engineers at Reddit.

I'm really annoyed that they are changing a winning formula to build something that nobody wants

[-] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's this toxic idea in the business world, that in order to be successful you can't just make money and be profitable, but your profits have to keep increasing year after year. This kind of runaway, cancerous growth is poison to the country and the world.

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[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 year ago

This is like if a Grocery chain said that they need to stop selling Lemons to little girls because the lemonade stands were profitable and they aren't. The scale of the two businesses is not the same... none of these apps have millions of dollars in VC funds or thousands of employees.

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[-] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

and im willing to pay for API access. If Reddit started charging me a buck or two i would be ok with that. I recognize that servers are not free, and their profit has to come from somewhere.

But charging app devs $20,000,000 a year is NOT the solution.

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[-] penguin_ex_machina@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It blows my mind that Reddit can look at 90% of its communities going dark in some way and think, "yeah, this is fine."

EDIT (AGAIN): Thank you all for the comments on total subs. It's still clearly not 90%, but it still appears to be a significant portion of the active Reddit community. For the interested, check out the comments below for stats. :)

[-] NotYourSocialWorker@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

It might be as Louis Rossmann said, it was a mistake to say "we're going black for two days. They should've just says "were going black until you cange the rules again".

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[-] nightscout@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago

That's what Huffman was saying BEFORE the blackout. Now that 8476/8838 subreddits are currently dark, I wonder what he would say now? I don't really see how Reddit recovers from this. It's sad because I loved it and there's nothing else like it (yet), but there would need to be some major changes taking place before a lot of people consider venturing back.

[-] Psychobilly1@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

There are 3.1 million subreddits.

That 8838 is the number of subs who pledged to protest in some capacity. A lot of them are big subreddits, but still. It's not like they've cut off access to 90% of the site like some people think.

[-] UnpopularBrainRot@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

Yeah but how many of those millions are ghost towns?, since a lot of the biggest subs are participating I'm more curious about how reddit will handle it, replacing the mods in every one of them? That's a lot of man power, I hope whoever they put in charge isn't an idiot that does it for free, and what's more funny is that the best mod tools rely on the API and 3rd party access.

At the very least I expect a decline in quality content and spam, trolls, bots etc.

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[-] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago

Over half my feed went dark. I was only getting posts from 4-5 subreddits, mostly news. That's a big impact on a user.

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[-] Moghul@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately in a few hours most of those subreddits will open back up and it'll be business as normal. The ones that don't open will be transferred over to new moderators and they'll resume normal operation too.

Realistically, for the most part, not much will change for Reddit. A lot has changed for me and you, though. I've diversified my entertainment and don't intend to lurk the same website for hours a day. I like Lemmy, and I like the people here but Reddit is too old and too encompassing to never visit it again.

[-] marlowe221@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

The problem is that there is a lot of great crowd-sourced knowledge on Reddit on everything from programming to which microwave oven I should buy. It's going to take time to replace that, if it can be done.

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[-] sorenant@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago

Guess I'm sticking with Lemmy, then.

[-] root@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago
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[-] lhx@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago

It's not that you're charging for API access; it's that you're charging US pharmaceutical industry pricing levels ($12,000 for something that should realistically be $200) and then only giving devs such a short time to implement changes. This was designed to kill 3PApps outright and everyone can see it. What an ass.

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[-] plumbercraic 59 points 1 year ago

Cool beans. Thanks spez, for introducing me to lemmy.

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[-] Tangent@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

Well Steve, it's not profitable for me to be a moderator for free either. Feel free to let me know how profitable you think you'll be after hiring enough staff to replace all the mods that'll be leaving.

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[-] quantumantics@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

Since I don't see a link to it in the discussion, here's an internal email from yesterday that has made its way to the Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman

[-] AnotherBoredSlug@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Glad to know we're just 'noise', lol.

[-] Ryumast3r@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

One minute our content (through the API) is "very valuable" and "needs to be monetized". The next we're just "noise".

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[-] Meowyjsmokes@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

RIP Reddit! This was all I needed to see to delete my reddit shortcuts from my phone and computer. let's gooooo lemmy!

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[-] kamenoko@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 year ago

There is literally no new information in this article and the title implies that it is in response to the acutal blackout, and not the threat of one. Bad article.

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[-] kinther@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

They really should have just found out what the 3rd party apps -COULD PAY-. If it covered the cost of their usage and there was some profit on the top, it would at least bring in some money. Based on what I read by the Apollo dev, there was back and forth communication about pricing for a while until he broke the news.

It astounds me that they chose to cut them off entirely by offering impossible pricing. Isn't some money better than no money?

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's because the planned IPO. Allowing third party apps, that are better designed, show no ads and don't collect the same amount of telemetry data (seriously the official app spies constantly for user data), doesn't look good in the eyes of potential investors.

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[-] scp_1404@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

The alt-right is having a great time right now on Reddit. Tons of their posts from r/conservative on the front page.

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[-] torafugu@lemmy.one 43 points 1 year ago

"We are not profitable"

Says the one who wants the money of 3rd party developers.

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[-] mrc@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

I just want to point out that the article is dated 9 June, so before the actual blackout. Maybe they have changed their mind seeing the actual data

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[-] Scheissberg@feddit.de 39 points 1 year ago

I really can't wait to see what's the fallout of Reddit going dark. Does the community really wield the power? Or does Reddit have another ace up its sleeve?

[-] killerinstinct101@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Yeah it's gonna be quite an interesting event. Most of reddit's newer userbase doesn't seem to care, but then again the mods of major subreddits do.

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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.fmhy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

I don't need reddit. Reddit doesn't generate content, nor does it prevent contributors from sharing the same content on other platforms.

What is reddit doing to win me back?

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[-] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Digg used to be king. People abandoned it in droves when they went a step too far and there was an alternative. Reddit is not immune to the same thing happening to them.

[-] Bowen@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

The irony is reddit was that alternative to Digg.

You'd think Huffman would have the wherewithal to realize that no king rules forever.

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[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago
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[-] CascadeDismayed@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

The world is ready to fully transition away from that cancerous company.

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[-] raulmedez@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago

First comment here. Sad to Reddit go but also it's their own fault for pushing me away

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[-] Steamymoomilk@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

WE should blackout for longer, i own a very small subreddit, but 2 days is not enough!! im not backing down tomorrow, i ask over subs do the same. lets stick it to reddit

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[-] yankeebobo@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Had the subs gone off for longer (2 weeks) or indefinitely, the risk of Google bots dropping links may have shaken things up more. Personally, I donโ€™t see Reddit going anywhere. There frankly is not enough backing for a sustained enough period of time. Reddit knows tomorrow subs who joined for 2 days will re-open.

[-] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 year ago

Also, I think the people who stay after the blackouts are the ones Reddit wants: the ones least likely to care about being subjected to ads and hostile UI. The ones least likely to leave or protest. The ones with least critical thinking. The ones consuming the most trivial content and guerrilla marketing. The holy grail of any money-hungry social network.

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[-] Nogami@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Just migrated here from reddit. Don't plan on going back. That platform is done.

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[-] D3F4U1T_ARS@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Yeah, at this point. All these big tech companies are succumbing to their greed.

Good that FOSS are being made to be the shelter for this wasteland that is big tech.

[-] sipwarriper@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I guess Lemmy will be getting bigger then

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[-] norawibb@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago

This is great news. I want federation

[-] Dekthro@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 year ago

Well at least they'll be more "profitable" with so many less users coming to the site and using third party apps.

Glad I've found Lemmy.

[-] admin@lemmy.elest.io 29 points 1 year ago

Reddit & Twitter going crazy only few months appart, and with this attitude they deserve to vanish in trashbin of internet history

[-] massive5337@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

This kind of protest is meaningless, going back online after 48 hours? It's just a way for communities to feel good about themselves. The best way to protest is to delete the account / subreddit going offline indefinitely (although I doubt the effectiveness of this)

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[-] idle@158436977.xyz 28 points 1 year ago

just deleted my last account. fuck em lol

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[-] Marduk73@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

And that's why this is my first comment on lemmy! Just in case Reddit eats itself.

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