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(For people who don't know, BestBuy is an electronics store that is common in the USA)

This would be in c/ActuallyInfuriating if the consumer protections weren't as good, but for now, its just a chargeback away from fixing the problem. (I hope the bank doesn't fucks me over. If they fuck with me, then this is gonna end up in Actually Infuriating). Anyways:

Two days ago, I bought a laptop on BestBuy, but they didn't use UPS like they had in the past, instead they used Doordash 🤦‍♂️. When I saw that, I wanted to cancel because I didn't trust fucking Doordash, but it didn't let me cancel, so I just hoped nothing bad happens.

Oh wow, my gut feeling about Doordash actually predicted the future.

So, today it was supppsed to be delivered, I saw the guy park in front of my house for a few minutes (I know that's him because I saw him on the map on the Doordash tracking link), dude walked out, looked my house, went back into his car, drove to the back alleyway (its a neighborhood of single family row-houses), I saw him on my CCTV cameras, he place down the package at a neighbor's back door, take a pickture, then grabbed it place it back in his car, then quickly drove away.

Bruh.

Now I have to make some phonecalls. Thanks, corporate, great fucking job. I hope the CEO of bestbuy can choke on his pay increase.

And if you are wonder why I didn't just go to BestBuy, I live in a car-centric city and I don't have easy access to a car, and carrying big electronics in public transit is just asking for someone to mug you.

At this point, corporations are just in a race to see who gets to be crowned the worst corporation. I mean I hate Amazon and Bezos too, but at least they have a PIN verification system now, so drivers can't just steal stuff, wtf is BestBuy doing? Fuck these shitty corporation.

I wish I could show you the camera footage, but don't wanna get doxed.

Probably not using ~~best~WorstBuy again, not with this bullshit "Doordash" delivery. What an actual disaster.


Btw I tried calling bestbuy, they had a fucking voice-bot thing that refused to let me talk to a human until 48 hours has passed. So I just go straight for the dispute, right? I don't wanna wait 48 hours.


Update: So I got through the bot thing by spamming 0 (or perhaps some other key, I can't be sure), I got to a rep and explained the situation, they said they send a request to BestBuy and BestBuy will do an "investigation" with Doordash, whatever that means, and then refund. They said it's supposed to take 3 bussiness days. Well, today is Thursday, Tomorrow is Friday, so I'm guessing by Tuesday end of the day it's supposed to be resolved?

I mean, I'm giving them 1 week. I'm definitely filing that dispute the Friday next week. Technically I have 60 days to dispute, but I'm gonna stay on the safe side and 1 week is all I'm giving. I'm really wanting to just file right now, but I'm don't want to get banned from BestBuy for life just yet, but if they don't refund within a week, I'm just gonna have to be banned from bestbuy, I guess... 🤷‍♂️

Gonna update later if y'all are still curious in a few days.

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[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Just a little PSA for anyone who’s wondering, any retailer that offers you same day delivery of goods is using DoorDash or one of its clones. Apple does same day delivery and I think they use UberEats.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I remember like 6 years ago chatting on Reddit to some American about how the system of just leaving packages at the door is unsafe as fuck and I would never trust it with anything more expensive than a pizza.

Here there's delivery points and automats in pretty much every grocery store. So you can have shit delivered, but unless it's something massive (or delivered food), people rarely do. You just get a notification on your phone and pick up your package from the point you chose to prioritise. Sometimes it can be full and you have to pickup a package from the next point over, but they're all over the place so.

The American went on a huge rant about how porch pirates are rare as can be and how it would be beyond frustrating and a waste of time to pick up packages from your nearest grocery store.

[–] Tinks@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree with you to an extent, but the other American was right, they're really not as common as you might think based on internet posts. I've never once had a package stolen, and I get deliveries multiple times a week. For me, going out to pickup a delivery would be inconvenient because I work from home and don't want to have to make a 10 min trip by car just for that.

This situation is a whole other story though. That's the delivery driver straight up stealing the package. Absolutely bonkers.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

other American was right, they're really not as common a

He most certainly wasn't.

He was practically denying that it ever happened, when it's common as pickpocketing. Meaning more common in some places, less so in others, but definitely a known and existing issue.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Would it matter in this case though? If the person delivering it was going to steal it, they would just tell you it was in the locker anyways right?

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

They stole it explicitly because they thought they could get away with pretending someone else stole it from the door by photographing it by the door.. Nobody can steal it from inside a locker. It follows that they wouldn't have done it in that scenario. Also doordash basically hires everyone on planet earth. It hires some folks it doesn't even know its hired because they are obviously working on someone else's account.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Except there are cameras on porches too, so it isn't like they got away with it, but it doesn't seem to matter right? In a locker situation who is going to review thefootage, how would you go about that? Couldn't they put an empty package in there and claim someone else did it anyways?

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Never heard of this happening to anyone whereas porch pirates are literally everywhere doesn't seem reasonable

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

So I got curious, and the instances are on a different scale. Where a person gets a hold of the master key and steals ALL the packages. Which is kind of what I was alluding to: it all breaks down once the person who handles the package decides to go rogue.

Yes it is less frequent and lockers are safer of course.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The lockers usually have surveillance around them.

So you'd go there, open up an empty box and it would be incredibly easy to show who stole it. Plus even if there wasn't surveillance, you could film yourself opening the slot, which would then show an empty slot.

So yeah, it does make a difference. The package is never left unattended, it's never "up for grabs" by anyone.

That being said thieving and whatnot is comparatively rare in Finland anyway. We're #1 in the wallet drop test. https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/least-honest-cities

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is an entire industry of companies that make "drop off boxes" that allow the deliverer to put a package in it, but doesn't allow anyone without the pin number to open it. We live in the dumbest timeline.

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[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You used to be able to require a signature which would force a direct hand-off, but people got annoyed with it. Then drivers started skipping those deliveries to get through their shift faster. So now only expensive courier services and the postal service still really do it.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Here you'll need to have an ID or at least a driving licence (which isn't technically an official ID, but is accepted as such in most places outside banks and whatnot) to go and pick up your shit.

Well, not anymore, as lots of them go to the automats and then you just require the PIN.

And depending on what sort of package you're getting in the mail, you can sometimes give your package id to a friend who can pick it up, but they'll need an ID of their own as well so it'll get registered who picked up the parcel.

The US is a lot vaster but one still imagines people wouldn't mind picking up packages from the nearest grocery store they use, if it meant that their shit can't be stolen?

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This will be super regional. A lot of the US a trip the the grocery store is a 30 minute drive one way. They make that trip once a month and load up their SUV with all their groceries.

Some people work 3 Jobs and their schedule is super tight, so even a 10 minute trip is a burden they would rather risk porch pirates than deal with.

I believe there are lots of places that porch pirates make delivery to door or mailbox just unrealistic. Personally I have never been a victim of theft to my knowledge. My knee jerk response to mitigation strategies is "why? It's not a problem for me" and I suspect most of my neighborhood this would be true.

So I suspect Americans reaction will vary dramatically by region. I see the Amazon dropoff locations and the boxes in stores near me and I don't see anyone use them.

I sometimes wonder if I am ever broke and hungry if I could just grab some food off the pickup shelf in a restraint near me. I won't, because I am not broke and have never needed to skip meals, because I am fortunate to have friends and family support even when I was broke. But it must not be a huge problem where I am or those shelves would not have food on them.

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[–] insomniac@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don’t worry about getting banned. They’ll just backlist the card you used and close your account. Easy enough to get around. Send them your video and demand they refund you while you’re on the phone with them. Use the word chargeback liberally. You’ll either get refunded quickly or fuck them, make them get dinged with a chargeback.

[–] Megamanexent@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ya, do this! Dont wait a week. Call or March in and demand a refund or you'll be placing a chrageback. Speak to a manger

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the heads up. I have ordered things online from best buy in the past but not again if they're going to do this shit. I know they're not reading Lemmy for customer experiences but this is ridiculous and nobody should have to go through that. I think a week of "investigation" is more than generous especially if you have video of the guy stealing your shit. I would also file a police report to really add to the evidence but that's even more time out of your day and then you have to talk to the cops and explain why the felony theft (at least in my state) that you were the victim of is worth the time it takes for them to get off their asses and stop eating doughnuts for 5 minutes to collect the report. A lot of companies won't do shit without a police report. The driver is also probably going to be pissed if he gets fired over this and also knows exactly where you live, so having a police report is a good idea if he tries some shit. Not that the police will actually do anything about it, again it just adds to the paper trail.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 6 points 1 day ago
[–] needanke@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

And if you are wonder why I didn't just go to BestBuy, I live in a car-centric city and I don't have easy access to a car, and carrying big electronics in public transit is just asking for someone to mug you.

Is that actually an issue in the US?

[–] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Given that this is a laptop we're talking about, OP is definitely over selling it. Bring a backpack, unpack the laptop box into your backpack (assuming the box is too big to fit in the backpack itself). Something bigger like a TV would be more problematic.

The main worry is that being seen with new-in-box fancy electronics makes you look like "guy with money". It's not so much that someone's gonna steal your TV on the subway, but if you can afford a new TV your wallet probably has good stuff in it. Then it's just a question of "how bad is the crime actually on this commute?". Most places it'd be fine but some rough parts of some cities I'd be worried.

Then it’s just a question of “how bad is the crime actually on this commute?”

Yes this is what I afraid of. Some creepy guy hanging around the mall parking lot, seeing me, a not-so-tough looking young man with a backpack of stuff walking out of an electronic store, then waiting at a bus stop. I'm likely gonna get mugged. (Maybe I'm just being paranoid?)

A few year ago, my mom was about to deposit some money (like few hundreds, its after a holiday season where money/gift exchanges are common) to a nearby bank like 10-15 minute walk away, and someone just strong-armed grabbed her purse that also had her phone in it. The cops were all like "we're gonna do an investigation", I never heard about the perp getting caught.

At least if a package is stolen, you have some consumer protections, especially when the thief is the driver themselves. Getting mugged could end up with you being in the hospital + PTSD from the whole ordeal.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

Depends on where you live. I grew up taking Oklahoma City public transit, and you could get mugged for pocket change at some of the bus stops. Now I'm in Washington and my area is pretty safe.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is that NOT actually an issue where you're from?

[–] needanke@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

Not in my experience, no. That's why I am surprised.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 175 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, dispute the charge and do it quickly. They like to pretend the window to dispute is short

[–] dan@upvote.au 112 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The standard window for a chargeback with both Visa and MasterCard is 120 days. Don't let the retailers bully you into thinking otherwise.

Usually just threatening to do a chargeback, without actually doing it, is sufficient to get them to comply. Every chargeback costs the company money (usually around $10 to $50 depending on the bank) and time (dealing with the bank, collecting evidence, etc) even if they win the dispute, so they try to resolve issues without the customer involving the bank.

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[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 69 points 2 days ago

When I worked for a bank call center the first question before initiating the dispute/chargeback process is “did you attempt to resolve this with the merchant first?” It is a requirement for doing the dispute. OP needs to clearly say yes, and they prevent it by not letting me speak to a human.

OP should also file a police report immediately. They won’t care, but at least the store can’t accuse OP of not following properof procedures.

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[–] kemsat@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I used to do Postmates, and I used to get these kinds of deliveries. I’m not trying to defend BestBuy or DoorDash. This is entirely on the driver. I never even thought about stealing people’s expensive electronics, and I would text or call the customer to ask where they wanted me to leave the package.

I would send the evidence to the police & file criminal charges against the driver.

Still, you should hassle the corpos, but don’t forget that the driver is the real criminal here.

[–] TheWilliamist@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (7 children)

No, it is on Best Buy. They could’ve shipped it via a known carrier but elected to go a cheaper route to save money. One bad egg doesn’t work when you’re a large company. Raise the price five dollars or eat the shipping costs and use UPS.

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[–] ThisIsFineDotJpeg@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Still, you should hassle the corpos, but don’t forget that the driver is the real criminal here.

Honestly, I put 50% blame on the thief, 50% blame on Bestbuy. Theft from your fellow working class people is fucked up, but BestBuy using shady delivery services is also unacceptable.

[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

fault isn't zero sum.

both the driver and best buy can be 100% at fault.

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[–] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I have things delivered all the time from Best Buy for my home business. Doordash sometimes does the delivery, but I have never had an issue in all of these years. Nothing missing, nothing stolen, never a problem.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

I don't look both ways before crossing the street, and I've never been hit! It must be safe!

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 125 points 2 days ago (5 children)

If you used a credit card you can just chargeback. I'm sure the video is more than enough evidence. Best buy will be out a laptop and the money for it so it's their problem from there.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 87 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Still an ugly pain in the ass for the person who wanted to exchange currency for goods and/or services.

I do find it amusing that Doordash itself seems so blaise about this misuse of their services. Like, what an amazing racket. Get paid by one of the biggest retailers in the country to not-pay drivers so they can not-deliver expensive hardware.

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[–] waspentalive@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I live in Sacramento, but I drive to San Jose for Central Computers or now MicroCenter to buy gear.. I buy nothing mail order, porch pirates are bad enough, but when the driver himself is the thief, that is just it.

Ironically, I never had a "porch pirate", my neighborhood is pretty chill with that, its not even a rich neighborhood, everyone here is working class. The driver, however, picked up the order from a warehouse like 2 hours away, so I'm assuming he's not from my city. I had more drivers themselves stealing shit than just random people walking. My neighbor leaves like 5 packages on their doorsteps and didn't come home til like 2 days later (idk where they went tbh, I don't really talk to them), the packages were still there. They have packages on their doorsteps like few hours at a time every week, never seen anyone steal it. Maybe because its within sight of my cameras? But like, that didn't deter that guy that stole my stuff earlier, and judging from the news, thiefs don't seem to care if there's a camera, they steal it anyways I guess my neighbood is just that good with not touching other people's stuff?

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 78 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I ordered a laptop from BB for an executive at work, they tried delivering it on a Saturday and texted me about it, offered to deliver elsewhere instead, so I'm like, sure bring it to my house. Then when they get there, it's a third party delivery service (not Doordash but like it) - woman and her boyfriend - hat out looking for a tip. Umm I didn't ASK for some weird tip-based delivery service, I thought they were UPSing that shit. I can't put tips on my corporate card, for laptop delivery fees?! So I looked like the asshole after they booked it across town. Haven't ordered from Best Buy again, what a terrible customer experience.

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[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 86 points 2 days ago (20 children)

You should ask Best Buy why a signature was not required

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Call the ~~bobbies~~ police and file a report, using your footage as evidence. If it's like here, they won't actually do anything, but you'll need that report to file a dispute with your bank. Best buy will likely try to write you off, but they can't really do that with a proper report backed by evidence.

Edit: sorry. Police.

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