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[–] BananaPeal@sh.itjust.works 136 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You forgot the pre-1700s picture where all of the US is red.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 79 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Bloodthirsty british and european settlers, greedy for land, wiped out hundreds of native tribes, each with rich cultures, art, languages, and beliefs. And most of this happened less than 150 years ago.

Clearing an entire continent of peoples is unprecendented in history, and what's worse, is that it's still ongoing, and no one has had to account for this earth-shattering crime.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

"Indian reservations" are concentration camps

German labor camps were obviously concentration camps

and the strategic hamlet program were concentration camps

and ICE detention centers are concentration camps

either way it is always white people and their concentration camps

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[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 41 points 1 week ago (9 children)

To see diagram progressions like this is really sad. like a beautiful rainforest gradually being chipped away into nothing. same perps too considering the vast majority of Israelis are European

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[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago (9 children)

"Ah but you see, a long time has passed by! There's generations [of settler-colonialists] that have already lived through these times, and the people of today have nothing to do with their past!"

Motherfucker, landback means the LAND which is rightfully the Indigenous' is taken BACK, and it means you GO BACK too, no one should give a fuck about which gen. you're currently a part of.

They're going to say the exact same shit for Palestine if it's allowed to be festered long enough by settler-colonialists, as if it already hasn't been festered.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

and it means you GO BACK too, no one should give a fuck about which gen. you’re currently a part of.

This would mean that like 99.9% of Earth's population has to move somewhere. Almost all land was fought over endlessly and changed metaphorical hands multiple times over. What we call "indigenous people" in a territory is usually just whoever was winning those wars before written history began.

What "landback" actually means is recognizing the systemic racism that was and still is perpetuated against the indigenous people by means of taking away their ancestral lands, slaughtering and enslaving their ancestors, and destroying their way of life; and addressing that racism by giving jurisdiction and sovereignty over their lands back to them. It doesn't mean that everyone but the indigenous people have to move out; descendants of colonizers born there are technically natives of that land too. The difference is that they get systemic advantages from their ancestry whereas indigenous people get systemic discrimination. This is the thing that ought to be addressed. (well, the horrifying economic and governance system that the colonizers brought and festered must be addressed too, but all three are tightly coupled together)

In the case of Israel the difference is that a lot of colonizers are first gen, they are not natives, they do have somewhere to "go back to", and they are actively perpetuating colonization and genocide rather than simply getting an advantage from their ancestors doing so. In such cases it of course makes sense for the decolonization effort to focus on direct expulsion of invaders.

[–] procapra@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In the extremely unlikely event that indigenous people got direct executive control over what happens in the continental united states, I don't think they'd even want the mass exodus of all white people. Nor do I think they'd want full cultural assimilation. My entire life, the prevailing narrative has always just been the end of systemic oppression. Very frequently I've heard indigenous rights activists demand the free use of/free travel across land for things like hunting, which is a pretty small ask. Just because this or that action would be justified, doesn't mean it's the action people want. IMO the second minority ethnic groups feel safe and represented these kinds of mass exodus narratives will fade away. Doubly so if there was a transition to socialism that went with it, and some thought went into identifying the different national identities (so something akin to a soviet of nationalities could be formed).

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The last will be first. Landback and decolonization means putting the reigns into the hands of the indigenous people's hands, and letting go of the reigns, not just holding onto the reigns but giving the colonized people some of the reigns. The best settlers can hope for is to be treated kinder than they have treated the people whose land they stole. I myself was born in the US, and am still a settler here, just because I was born here does not absolve my role. It means I have a historic duty to help carry out decolonization and land back, from the back, not as a leading role.

Read Fanon.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Very few countries currently are based on native eviction, where settlers have nearly replaced the indigenous peoples. The US, canada, australia, new zealand, israel are the main ones.

I think it's projecting western colonial guilt to claim that all countries are equally based on indigenous eviction. Even colonial projects like Spain's in South America did not do to their indigenous peoples what the british did to north america.

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[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (33 children)

This is an extremely white washed version of land back. Pretty sure land back means full control over what happens on that land, including what kind of people can live on it, something that is currently controlled exclusively by the colonial government.

If they're feeling generous they might give you the option to stay on the condition that you assimilate into their culture.

You know, the thing Europeans forced Indigenous peoples to do. Not saying settlers should be forced through violence to do so, but I think it's more than fair that if you're going to stay, you have to assimilate.

But you're not entitled to even assimilation if they just don't want you here. And they have plenty of reason not to want you here.

I know that as a 1st gen Chinese immigrant to Canada (I came here as a kid so wasn't my choice), if all the Indigenous groups where I live unambiguously told me to GTFO. I would in good conscience have to do so and hope I can use my birth certificate to reclaim Chinese citizenship. I'm by every definition a settler so it's only fair. Whatever struggles I have in China (namely language barrier since I can barely read Chinese) I will have to deal with and it's not on the Indigenous people to let me stay just because I can't survive anywhere else.

Where you go back to and what happens to you isn't the problem of the people you colonized. And by transferring that problem on to them, you are in fact perpetuating colonialism.

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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I call this the finders keepers rule of colonialism. The western supremacists think that as long as you

  • Kill a large enough percentage of the native population, and
  • Wait long enough

Then the finders keepers rule kicks in, and you get to keep anything you stole. They even will yell "no ethnostates!!" at indegenous peoples they evicted and stole land from.

The main point is that its not for anyone but indigenous peoples to determine what they want to do with their land.

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[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with your points entirely, it's just amusing to see the people who do disagree experience a tiny iota of the fear and despair that the indigenous peoples of America and beyond had to feel when their world was destroyed and stolen.

It is really telling that suddenly they fear for their lives once they think they will be victims of the same colonization that gave them privilege. They've internalized that this process only functions through mass slaughter and terror and start waxing poetic about "human nature"

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[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also it's very much actively going on and the current generation is totally involved.

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[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago

Same perpetrators as well.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Of course they are. They are both prime examples of settler colonialism in action.

People forget that Israel started as a British colony

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't worry, we'll put it in the textbooks 100 years from now to talk about how cruel we were

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

Then 50 years later well put someone in power that says it never happened and rip it back out of the books.

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