And National is removing the subsidy that was making EVs cheaper, so buy now before the election.
this post was submitted on 20 Sep 2023
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We're not far from the point where they are more cost effective even without subsidies, fortunately.
the worst threat to democracy and civilization are people who are deeply ignorant spewing bullshit as if was the truth and others believing this bullshit.
Apparently you haven't looked at the price difference between an electric version of a vehicle and a petrol or even a hybrid version of the same vehicle so you believe the electric car is same cost or cheaper.
Not going to be voting National - I'd prefer a chronically underfunded public healthcare system to a US-style insurance driven private system - but:
- The EV RUC exemption was supposed to be removed when the fleet reached 2% EVs - it did that ~6 months ago, but the government decided not to cos it's a bad look to do just before the election
- The RUC charges are what pays for road maintenance along side fuel taxes - the exemption has to go away at some point
I think they're talking about the discount on the purchase price of EVs.
Just a follow on from your health comment.
If our health system is certain to become private, I for sure hope that:
- ACC remains, at minimum as-is.
- there is a regulation and standardisation for basic health insurance needs (more like the Swiss system than US free for all).
- there is still some sort of safety net system for those who cannot afford it.
Of course, I'd prefer a public health system.
National want to go to a RUCs for everyone system, which I think is the best way to handle vehicles that have multiple fuel sources such as plug in hybrids.
I have always though that RUC for all was a much better system. Having it built into fuel as an extra tax is dumb.
A big V8 that gets 15l/100km and weighs the same as a prius that gets 5l/100km are paying vastly different amounts of tax for a very similar amount of wear and tear.
Another example is our people mover (Mazda Premacy) gets around 10-11l/100km, once the kids are a bit bigger we will get a smaller much more efficient car, the wear and tear caused by our Premacy is not more than a Prius/Tesla/Focus/Corolla...yet we pay more in tax than any of those vehicles.
I suppose the biggest advantage is how simple the scheme is, both to administer, and as the end user. Having to keep track of my RUCs is a pain in the ass.
It would be good if they could have a system where you simply pay as you go, much like how the toll roads work.
No they want to make exceptions for commercial and farm vehicles.
Im curious why it was 2% as this was likely anyway.
15-20% would provide enough density for ongoing resell markets, maintenance, "fueling" stations and carbon reduction.
I read that by 1 April next year it was expected to reach 1.7% but National decided that was close enough. Where do I find the figure about it already being 2%?
Edit: Oh, it's counting plug-in hybrid. Currently about 1.4% BEV and 0.6% PHEV. Not quite 2% yet, it's at 1.96% as at August 2023.
A lot of places are stuck on car dependency, it's awful.
Not in Europe, wow. I just came back from a trip and you literally can go everywhere on public transport, including to the tiniest weirdest towns you can think of.
It's a dream, and I wish we had something like that 😢
Europe also has something like 40× our pop density by land mass, and they can.
Of course you got downvoted for pointing that out.
Why do all the options for electric vans kinda suck right now? My boss is looking for a replacement for my van, there are the LDV vehicles, and given what an absolute turd the LDV van I had was, we won't be going that route. Besides, the options are either far too big or far too small.
Next is the Transit. The smallest version of the Transit would be ideal for someone who works in the Wellington CBD, but they only make the larger sizes as an EV.
Finally, there is the E-vito. Just the right size, although neither the battery nor the motor are big enough, and it's $90k.
Why?
How much is the petrol or diesel version of the vito?