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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 77 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if Alphabet has used data from all these sources all the time.

That's actually the reason I don't use gmail except for registering Android, or use google calender, or google search except occasionally. I have my youtube account separate from my Android, and I don't allow any cloud services, like photo or any other storage or sync services.

The power Google can gain from using these things in combination is huge, just like Facebook influenced the 2016 US presidential election, Google/Alphabet could use this for both political and financial gains to an enormous degree, that would have been completely unheard of prior to Internet becoming widely used.

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[-] Z4rK@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago

Man I can’t wait to get 100% out of gmail.

[-] ciferecaNinjo@fedia.io 9 points 9 months ago

Just curious- what exactly do you mean by that? Do you mean abandoning/trashing your google account, or do you mean also refusing to send email to gmail recipients?

Personally I’ve gone all the way. Ditching the Google acct was just the 1st step (which implies also ditching Google Playstore). Then I quit sending email to gmail & outlook recipients. Then I went further and do an MX lookup on all email addresses to verify whether a vanity address like bob@lastname.com resolves to google. This has made #email mostly dead to me.

[-] Z4rK@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

I won’t stop sending to Google recipients. I have moved my email to Proton, but because of lacking search functionality there I have not yet migrated historic emails.

I’ve stopped using other Google services and deleted data except for Maps and YouTube. Maps I can probably get rid of. YouTube I’ll keep but may be able to use a more fake account.

[-] clark@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago

I was stuck with a Google account because I still wanted to view Youtube, but then I found alternatives like Piped and Freetube that let you import your subscriptions. Maybe that’s an option, if you’re interested.

[-] blabber6285@sopuli.xyz 11 points 9 months ago

I'm wondering what was the email usage like in the first place if you can just choose to stop sending to most people.

But to be honest, I've only sent handful of emails from my personal account within the same number of years.

[-] LostDeer@infosec.pub 47 points 9 months ago

Can't wait for bard to join the google graveyard with stadia once the ai fad passes!

[-] dukk@programming.dev 18 points 9 months ago

If it passes.

I hope it passes.

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[-] juniorneptune@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago

What makes anyone think google didn't have the access before anyway?

[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 9 months ago

They did. Its not about that

Now you can throw in a boring pdf, into your drive, and have bard read it and summarize each chapter. For example.

I asked it to read a report i have written for school and summarize it and give mr a few pointers where i could improve it. It was nice and speedy.

Granted the report isnt super long.

Wonder how well it does on a 700 page pdf..

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 months ago

They certaintly did, and already used AI to comb through it for their monitized stalking campaign. I think the only difference now is you can now make use of this somehow too, but I only read the headline lol.

[-] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Me, who's had a Gmail account as my main email for twenty plus years. 😞

[-] vale@sh.itjust.works 23 points 9 months ago

I've been meaning to switch off of Google for months now, but never had the time to properly research what exactly that entails

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I was primarily using Gmail and Youtube Music and the switch was fairly easy. Apple Music was a better replacement than the other competitors, and Proton Mail was super easy. Paying for both makes me "not the product, but an actual customer". Forwarded Gmail to Proton in about 30 seconds, and replaced Chrome with Firefox. Duck Duck Go isn't a "perfect" replacement for Google Search, but it's good enough.

[-] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Proton looks pretty good, but all the paid Google services show that paying is not enough to be seen as “not the product, but an actual customer” these days.

[-] plz1@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Proton itself has no access to the encrypted content of your email. Also, they are not an ad company, so their product isn't you.

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[-] silentknyght@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Curious what you decide. I feel trapped. My Gmail has been my primary account for almost 20 years. With that kind of longevity, switching would be extremely disruptive.

[-] berg@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

When I did it I just forwarded my mails to the new service (fastmail) and changed mail address whenever a mail got forwarded in. When I didn't receive a forwarded mail for a year or so I deleted my old mail and never looked back.

If you use a password manager this get easier though, since you can just lookup where the old mail is used.

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[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 months ago

I kept Gmail, but gradually switched over to proton. Eventually, year or two later, it's full of emails I don't glcare about. Start now and take it slow.

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[-] Norgur@kbin.social 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you choose to use the Workspace extensions, your content from Gmail, Docs, and Drive is not seen by human reviewers, used by Bard to show you ads, or used to train the Bard model.

Yeah... really comforting, Google. Really comforting.

[-] ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

🤷‍♂️ you weren't going to pay for it, gotta pay for compute somehow.

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 21 points 9 months ago
[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

These companies just push hard for people to leave them.

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 11 points 9 months ago

I know people who have their passwords on a google doc or email passwords. I foresee a lot of accounts getting hacked once people can crack the right prompts for the LLM.

[-] baruchin@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago
[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago
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[-] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 9 months ago

Switched to outlook but soon found out that some of your emails arent even received. That occured when I was trying to sign up to this lemmy instance. Luckily the admin was a very friendly person who understood the situation and manually approved my signup.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 points 9 months ago

Outlook is just choosing another big tech. Why not something like protonmail or tutanota?

[-] PastorHaggis@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

I'm starting to switch over to Proton. I haven't paid for it yet but my plan is to start paying and potentially grab usernames on other sites so I can have a consistent email across any site I decide to use.

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[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

openai's chat gpt, and microsoft's bing flavor of chat gpt both have android apps. google's bard does not. that is all...

[-] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 9 months ago

I mean, if Bard can access those things, that means Google already had access in the first place. I also don't mind if that means I get to enjoy a better service overall.

The things I don't want Google to know about I have separate anyways

[-] ares35@kbin.social 20 points 9 months ago

narrator: 'google knows about those things, too.'

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[-] Engywuck@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

I mean, at this point I find very difficult to believe that people willingly putting their entire life in free Google accounts don't know that they're basically ads meat anyway. The outrage makes no sense.

[-] Bluesheep@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

Without going to whole hog and hosting my own infrastructure, what are some good alternatives?

[-] Engywuck@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Mailbox, posteo, zoho, skiff...

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[-] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Good luck using all my spam I get on my gmail inbox to serve me ads that get blocked instantly.

Edit: openboard autocorrect.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Only reason I ever use my gmail is because they are tied to my phone and some of the games on my phone, otherwise I wouldn't be using them.

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