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FOSS and Common Software Article (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 3 months ago by BassedWarrior@lemmygrad.ml to c/prolewiki@lemmygrad.ml

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I don't know if there's a post asking about this already, but what happened to the whole Common Software concept?

I found this webpage for the RTC:

https://comrades.sbs/

which I think is what the article on FOSS is referring to.

But I see that the pages for Common Software and Revolutionary Technical Commitee have been deleted.

Does the License still exist? What happened to the RTC? And can I find more information anywhere?

Because now it just feels like a tease, but with no link to learn more. And I've wanted to find a better alternative to FOSS for my software.

Thank you so much for the wiki. I love it and would love to keep reading it.

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[–] BassedWarrior@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

So upon further investigation, it turns out that this information was added by a (now perma-banned) lemmy user Amicchanwho lost access to their Prole-Wiki account and apparently the page for Common Software was deleted by CriticalResist (@CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml ?) due to the ban of Amicchan, and the Revolutionary Technological Commitee page was deleted by Forte, but the content and the broken link used as source for the section on Attempts on Replacing Free Software section remains.

And since I've seen many or the Lemmy-related software being licensed under the AGPL license, I guess the whole concept just collapsed. But I'd love it if the Wiki then adapted the page on FOSS to reflect the current choice to use AGPL right now.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I looked into the logs, so AmiccChan was not involved with the Common Software page and while they were banned on lemmygrad the two (the grad and prolewiki) are completely separate and amicchan is not banned from prolewiki, and the person who banned amicc from lemmygrad is also not involved with prolewiki.

Pages related to the RTC were deleted with the ban of their author (SovietPasiune) from prolewiki, who is an ultra and a wrecker. They admitted in reddit comments made in r/ultraleft or whatever their sub name is (yes, the RTC is bordigist) to using prolewiki only for self-promotion to try and piggyback of our (perceived) success to siphon people into their tiny committee that was not going anywhere. Self-promotion is fine with us, we knew they were doing self-promotion obviously and we don't have strict rules about it, but they presented it as something they managed to sneak past us and clearly with the intent of solely leeching of off us which... no, you didn't lol. Of course we knew, you were invited on this basis.

On top of which, which was more decisive for their ban, they admitted to writing nonsense in some pages just to vandalize and see what they could push through. SovietPasiune was a founding member of the RTC which peaked at 5 members and I think now has ceased to operate?

Due to this the RTC can be considered a deviationist and wrecker org and doesn't deserve to be handed a space anywhere, really. But it has completely collapsed by their own "praxis" (an oxymoron, for ultras) so I doubt it will be revived. I mean it's kind of a joke that we dirty revisionist marxist-leninists have better tech infrastructure than they do. It seems like we're the only ones who have a copy of their principles left (it's in the edit history accessible to admins) meanwhile their collective's registrations are handled through a google form (really? not even framaforms?) and they lost their PGP keys and put that front and center on that sbs website, you know, if you wanted to know how much they suck at what they purport to do. You're not missing out on much. It's basically a CC-SA FOSS licence that says you can't use the software if you make too much money.

[–] BassedWarrior@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Sorry for the confusion on my part regarding who, made what and why.

But then, what is to be done to the FOSS page on the wiki? And to reiterate, then the use of AGPL is usually endorsed within an ML framework?

I'd suggest that be written on the article rather than the current contents added by SovietPasiune, because I've had this question regarding what the best way to license my contributions to software without it feeling like I'm looking for libertarian-style freedom.

And perhaps something could also be added which included information about codeberg, maybe? https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/what-is-codeberg/

Or what are your personal opinions on the matter of software development? Maybe @desalines@lemmy.ml has some essays about it? Idk. But I'd love it if there was some resources which applied ML analysis to software and I haven't found any yet. (Which is why I was originally excited for the ProleWiki article)

Either way, thank you for your response and the wiki. The essay on Gender Abolitionism I found very interesting.

Edit:

Or maybe some common DeGoogle alternatives or information regarding stuff like Open Street Map (OSM) or Matrix or more tech-related articles? (Or is that not the purpose of ProleWiki and I didn't read the memo?)

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In regards to the FOSS page I removed the section that I think you were referring to, about developments since 2021, since they were only talking about the RTC and the org is dead anyway. If there have been new developments in FOSS I am unfortunately not aware of them, but there's a lot of foss enjoyers both on lemmygrad and the gzd matrix (accessible from the sidebar on the lemmygrad homepage) who could probably point you in the right direction.

But I’d love it if there was some resources which applied ML analysis to software

I took another look through the deleted common software page but it didn't provide that analysis, so there's some consolation lol. I'm not big into FOSS but I think for an ML view we would prefer centralization instead of many splits and forks, merge everything into one big "hive" software that does everything.

[–] BassedWarrior@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago

I think for an ML view we would prefer centralization instead of many splits and forks, merge everything into one big "hive" software that does everything.

I'd figured that would be the way to go, but I see most of the ML stuff like Lemmy being more aimed at federation and decentralization. Which could be like a "guerilla software" tactic of sorts. And using FOSS as means of protecting it from capitlist exploitation with the whole copyleft scheme.