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submitted 9 months ago by squid@feddit.uk to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

With UK's new security bill that seems to more dismantle security rather than help. Am I still legally okay to use signal, VPN, tutanota, https, tor?

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 60 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If everyone keeps on as if this law doesn't exist, they'll struggle to enforce it. Don't cave; make the law unworkable. And if you use a VPN, choose one from a company based overseas.

[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 9 months ago
[-] nooneescapesthelaw@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago
[-] Melody@lemmy.one 57 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think you'd be foolish not to do so. Make sure that you also abandon any software that collapses to UK legal pressure.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 30 points 9 months ago

I thought the legal bits were for those running the services, not those using them?

The TLDR is that when E2EE that allows the government to monitor its contents without giving up encryption for everyone else becomes technically possible, those running the services must assist the government in doing so.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

They literally cannot enforce this, just like their attempted ban on porn

[-] Rand0mA@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Yes keep using them. You'd be a fool not to.

https should be enforced by any proper websites. This won't change. Imagine sending your mail in clear envelopes. Would you bank like that?

Vpns will work. This cannot change, it would affect business and other legitimate uses for them even if it was enforceable.

You can use encrypted DNS over HTTPS or TLS easily to further enhance your encrypted self.

Fuck what some uninformed middle manager type bell end has come up with. Bail out of any company or product that bends over for them.

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 14 points 9 months ago

I'm not based in the UK, so I can't speak to your specific legal risk, so always do what's best for your safety.

But if able, I would encourage you to continue to use your VPN until you can no longer do so. Support end to an encryption wherever you can, there's a huge difference between the law as written, and the law as enforced. Normalize encryption as much as you can.

If encryption is illegal locally, probably won't be able to pay for VPNs using standard payment methods in the future, so start using a VPN that supports anonymous payments now. Like Mullvad, airvpn etc.

Privacy is a human right

[-] sheinar@beehaw.org 6 points 9 months ago

Yes, it is still OK to use those services. The law is aimed at the messaging/social media businesses, not individuals, and is vague enough that they won't have to do anything around their E2EE until there is viable technology available to square the circle of allowing for the checking of illegal abuse content while not functionally destroying E2EE. So potentially never.

[-] inspxtr@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

no clue, I’d love to know too.

Maybe crosspost or create a post on Mastodon and tag them (signal, protonvpn, protonmail, tutanota, …)

[-] OrkneyKomodo 3 points 9 months ago

How do you cross post on Lemmy?

[-] inspxtr@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

In the web version, there should be a button (eg see https://lemmy.world/post/1067695). On mobile apps, my guess is it depends. I usually do it manually, the old copy-and-paste, and also provide the link to the original post.

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