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submitted 1 year ago by markipol@beehaw.org to c/reddit@lemmy.ml

It can go one of a few ways.

  1. Apart from the few subs that remain offline, it'll basically be back to normal. Those that do remain offline indefinitely just get forcibly reopened or recreated by admins, especially huge subreddits like /r/videos. Smaller ones just get redicted to /r/topicnew or some other creative name.

  2. A lot of subreddits and more importantly moderators and users leave the site permanently. In order for this to happen however, there'd have to be a consensus alternative, which there isn't ATM. Otherwise, these communities are pretty much lost forever unless the mods put a message to go to X alternative service in the "subreddit is private" banner. Tbh, I don't think people are gonna stomach losing years of their lives in an instant so they'll just re create subreddits unless the mods provide an alternative.

No matter what though, they're not backing down on the effective removal of the API (still leaving the sneaky clause "you can pay us if you want but it'll be a king's ransom" for AI, even though they can just trawl the web manually lol). They'll probably announce some crappy customization features to hoodwink those who don't know what an API is and lie to them and say it's "API v2" or whatever.

I just honestly don't know how it's going to shake out and I'm scared im going to lose these communities. I don't give a single solitary fuck about Reddit the company anymore, and I never did really. I just hope all of the subreddits find a new home and don't just shrug their shoulders and say "welp, guess that's it guys".

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[-] CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

Squabbles seems to have not hit user critical mass. Tildes looks like it's doing well.

The Lemmy + Kbin fediverse seems to be taking off like a rocket and has the best overall chance IMO of becoming the home for the best parts of Reddit's community.

[-] CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I want to add, that my wife has been a "scab" throughout all this and has been active on reddit, trying to show me memes and such.

The content she's been showing me has been stale, old stuff I saw back in 2020. Same recycled jokes, same memes. Reddit is in a mode of hard cope right now and I doubt it gets better if we don't return.

[-] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

My wife was on Reddit for about 9 years when she got hooked on TikTok about a year ago. In her words, Reddit had become boring. She still checks the local community sub, but that is about it. Just worth pointing out that Reddit is facing pressure from two ends. A lot of the more casual users, and the popular content creators, are on TikTok and other video centric platforms. Reddit can't compete there, as much as they try. The dedicated users they did have, those interested in community and discussion, well Reddit just angered much of that group.

Prior to the blackout, I was angry with Reddit. Since the blackout I've taken a step back and realized how much garbage Reddit is filled with (ads, shitposts, promoted content, etc), and how much I want to find something better. Before the blackout I was planning to quit Reddit out of anger. Now I plan to quit because, as my wife said, Reddit is boring and I'm excited to explore what comes next.

[-] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I want to add, that my wife has been a “scab” throughout all this and has been active on reddit, trying to show me memes and such.

Seems like grounds for a divorce.

I kid of course! My girlfriend is staying off Reddit, but she’s definitely missing it and hasn’t found a good substitute for her mix of subreddits yet. It’s especially rough since twitter’s gone downhill, and that was her other main scrollable content.

[-] greenfish@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

My husband deleted his account in solidarity even though I think he doesn't fully understand the nuances of the issue

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[-] Marxine@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

On the 3rd meme recycle people wil get bored already. It probably takes less than a month to happen, as long as the "community strike" continues.

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[-] Alkalyon@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Squabbles

Isn't this developed by one person, isn't open source and forbids NSFW in general? That is never going to go well.

Tildes

No mobile app and no ActivityPub so it's a very specialised. Additionally I don't like the UI at all and I've read this in multiple threads here as well.

Lemmy + Kbin

Both are show the same content as they are federated so it's up to who prefers what really. I prefer Lemmy, but anything is fine.

[-] CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

re Squabbles: yes, hard agree.

re Tildes: yes, also hard agree. The invitation-only method of growing the community also is draconian and it's going to hit all the scaling problems a traditional site does.

These and others are why you're finding me with you here in the fediverse. I am with you mi beratna.

[-] Alkalyon@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

These and others are why you’re finding me with you here in the fediverse.

I've been here for a week and it already feels like home!

[-] brainschaden@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've been here for a week and it already feels like home!

Two days and same!

[-] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I think people underestimate how much people are unlikely to go back to an abusive relationship when they've found one that isn't. Reddit was a bad habit. I am actually going to be contributing to communities here once I figure it all out. The worst that could happen here so far is not getting any comments or votes which is fine by me. On reddit I could post a picture of my cat and someone could comment "insert random derogatory term" for no reason lol! So far so good here.

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[-] KillaBeez@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I’m enjoying my time here and I’m honestly shocked with the amount of engagement so far, I just don’t see the “fedaverse” ever gaining any mainstream traction. It’s unintuitive and the barrier of entry is way too high. Even googling “Lemmy” doesn’t bring up useful results.

Something like squabbles has a better chance for mainstream appeal, but it would need a miracle as it’s only one duder

That being said, I’ll still be here!

[-] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Honestly, the lack of mainstream appeal is part of why I like it.

[-] rolaulten@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Just remember - as content is generated SEO is naturally going to improve, which will start to bring people into kbin/lemmy via Google.

As people spend time here marketing types will start to notice. Shortly thereafter we will see bots. To me, how we as a community handle those bots will be the real "does this experiment survive" test.

[-] teflocarbon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Absolutely. It's only a matter of time before someone sees the value in the information/data that is here and begin indexing the entire fediverse/site and working on SEO for it.

There are countless examples of indexers for GitHub for example, if you do any searching for questions related to coding. Pretty much every issue and repo has been indexed.

When reddit first popped up, posts from it came up in search results very rarely, now it's pretty much at the top of many searches, since it's a bastion of knowledge and community groups.

It's really only a matter of time if things do go well here.

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[-] onepinksheep@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Even googling “Lemmy” doesn’t bring up useful results.

It's not helped by the fact that it has the same name as a famous musician. Googling for Lemmy just brings him up — the Fediverse doesn't show up unless you scroll down a ways, if it even shows on the front page at all. Same with Tildes and Squabbles, both being already existing words. Branding is important for recognizability, and "Reddit" has the advantage of being a unique name.

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[-] SeatBeeSate@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This isn't going to be a great migration. More of a great fragmentation.

[-] arbiter329@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Which is what should happen in my opinion.

Let small communities be small, let them govern themselves.

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[-] ampcold@beehaw.org 27 points 1 year ago

It would not crash and burn but rather be messy and decrease in quality gradually over time. Sort of like Twitter.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago

Digg still exists, so I have no doubt that reddit will continue to have its rotting corpse propped up and picked at, even after a lot of its biggest contributors have left the site

[-] webbie602@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Digg doesn't even look like any sort of user-genetated content anymore. Same news layout of something like The Register or the Verge

[-] StrawberryCake@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago

I honestly hope that some kind of community remains here

[-] CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

It will. I've been on Reddit 16+ years and I have no itch to return or reopen the app. Meanwhile I'm getting nothing done for work because I have Mastodon, kbin, and lemmy open. The sticky/addictive power is here already.

[-] FartSmarter@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I’m an old head Reddit user like you. Are you feeling like Lemmy is feeling like the early days of Reddit. Smaller, more of a community feel?

[-] nieceandtows@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I’ve been with Reddit for 10 years, and Lemmy feels like what Reddit was around 8-7 years ago. Reddit front page posts used to be in 3-4 digit upvotes max before they changed the vote counting mechanism. Lemmy is already having 3 digit upvoted posts with hundreds of comments. My complaints of Lemmy are purely technical, and hope they get resolved before people get frustrated enough.

[-] UnspecificGravity@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think the missing element for fed sites is creating a level of experience that works seamlessly for users that are not tech savvy at all. The really big genuine innovation that Reddit made was bridging the gap between "the internet" and "regular people", which granted access to an enormous wealth of information that more tech focused sites aren't ever going to be able to achieve because those totally non technical users DO have a shit ton of other knowledge and value to bring.

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[-] B4tid0@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Ooof yes! The "lemmy post" mantra is really sticking for me and it has being and simple to do that here , scary but like accelerating. Never dared to participate on reddit and now here is so fun to so. Only in time we will now how thing pan out but here , in lemmy, is fun. Hope to see you guys around.

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[-] Perdendosi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I'm voting for #1. Even the subs that remain offline will be replaced.

But there's a caveat-- I think Reddit will start to suck more quickly than it has, and, without some core mods and content providers, will become pretty much a shell of itself in a few years. Maybe it's before it's public; maybe it's after.

[-] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Yeah if the whole Netflix thing has taught us anything it's that people don't want to change and will put up with being treated like absolute garbage to remain in their comfortable space. Reddit will be fine. But I do hope enough people leave and stay here to start a new thriving community long term.

[-] goldenarchmage@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think you're wildly overestimating that timetable - over on that site I'm a member of a sub where you need intimate knowledge of the subject to moderate it effectively (and because of the nature of the subject it gets a lot of trolls to put it mildly). With no community mods that sub would become a cesspit within days, as would subs that are currently the focus of the alt-right, such as science, LGBT subs etc. It's going to be a bin fire if the community mods leave - you'll feel so dirty you'll have to take a shower after every visit to your previously favourite subs...

[-] AgentGoldfish@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I was also a mod over there (recreated the same community here, but it'll take time to fill in if it ever does). In that sub, despite well over a million subscribers, less than 200 people wrote the valuable comments. If a sizable chunk of those 200 leave, then the sub dies. And several wrote to modmail about the fact that the sub did not participate in the blackout and that they were done with the sub (and frankly, I don't blame them, I'm also out).

A million members doesn't matter if the couple hundred experts pack up and leave.

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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

A return to normality is impossible since there will be no more third party apps. It may seem like things are as they were besides that, but the progressive move by Reddit to ignore Reddit's core value proposition (link aggregation and commenting) will continue, only to be replaced by attention towards monetisation-centric features no one asked for like NFTs & followers (which the third party apps ignored, gee I wonder why).

Reddit has a cancer. You can either stay in denial and experience the terminal death in slow, painful motion, or you can just move on now.

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[-] KillaBeez@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I’m honestly done with Reddit and I really hope enough people find a new home outside of it when this is all said and done. Hanging out on here has made me realize how toxic and mentally draining Reddit actually is.

I think Reddit will continue to grow into a normie cesspool of children and mentality I’ll folks and will eventually go the way of FB and Twitter where the interesting and saine folks will dig out new communities in some other place to be determined

[-] thegameoverguy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I couldn’t agree more with your opinion on Reddit. Over the past 10 years it has become so much more toxic and unwelcoming. It is hivemind culture and it is only going to get worse over time. The reporting on the Boston bombings should have been writing on the walls and that was a good while ago. Looking at it now, I just can’t believe how depressing it was just doom scrolling on that app daily.

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[-] UnbelievableCloud@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

According to Reddit’s internal memo, they expect this to blow over Wednesday with most subreddits returning, and they reported no drop in revenue so far. So they’re not likely to give in yet.

What needs to happen is that the blackout needs to continue indefinitely, and more communities need to start migrating to lemmy/kbin. If we move the content here, people will move too.

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[-] FaceDeer@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

I think we'll see a temporary "return to normalcy" after the protest finishes and most subs come back online. But come June 30 and the end of third-party apps, we'll see a bunch of users come back to Lemmy/Kbin again.

In a way, this seems like the best way of driving things. The protest has raised awareness and got a ton of development work going, and then there's going to be a respite giving instances time to prepare themselves for the second surge.

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[-] gimlithepirate@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I think the mod tools are what will blow reddit up ultimately. It's why I'm here.

The third party apps are a hard self own, but I don't use reddit because of third party apps. I use third party apps because the reddit official app is... Special. If they'd forced me to sue their app I would be annoyed, but still interested in reddit.

If you destroy the key tools that enable volunteer moderators to manage communities, the community will die. Example: two of my favorite subs were legaladvice, and bestoflegaladvice. Both required extensive moderating to function (and even then, it was prone to shit shows particularly at LA). No mod tools would make it unmoderatable... Which turns you into Voat pretty fast.

So, I don't think reddit dies July 1. I think reddit spends the next year turning into Twitter, and lemmy has to run as fast as it can to scale.

Hopefully, this is my last post on lemmy talking about reddit, but I doubt I'm that lucky.

[-] Fish89@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Reddit has pissed me off with this move and I hope this decision of theirs kills the value of the company and scares investors away. Money is the only thing they care about so hopefully they feel the sting. The loss of Apollo really upsets me and I’m hoping that maybe the developer will consider building a Lemmy app.

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

I don't think there has to be a consensus alternative. People are finding different spaces. For some it's this, for others it's raddle or Tildes...

I think part of the problem with reddit is it got too big. It might be a good thing if things become less centralized.

[-] true_blue@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

In my view this isn't the end of Reddit, but it is the beginning of the end. This situation will probably pass, but the lemmy devs and instance owners have already gotten useful feedback about how to handle situations like this, and what kinds of things would help lemmy and the fediverse grow. The next time something like this happens (and there will be a next time) they'll be just that little bit more ready.

Although for me specifically, I don't actually care too much if Reddit dies. I'm happy as long as there's a community here. The best thing that seems to be coming out of this situation so far is that many subreddits are now getting lemmy community analogs for people to move to.

[-] TWeaK@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I want reddit to die. It had its day, and what we have now is a poor reflection on what it was and what it's supposed to be. Change is a good thing, it leads to improvement and making things better.

[-] beef_curds@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

If it's like mastodon, most people will get bored and move back to reddit. Lemmy will grow marginally, and be more ready for the next stress test.

There will be other reddit outrages after the ipo, and lemmy will be more ready for migration. Repeat. Hopefully there's a critical mass one day, but there's no guarantee.

[-] Fixtor@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

We already tried to move to Voat in 2015 and it... didn't turn out very well...

I think if the Apollo dev actually releases an Apollo-based app for Lemmy then we might get a chance.

[-] fcuks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think a lot of people (myself included) were put off voat due the right wing politics and seemingly toxic nature of the site.

With regards to Lemmy - I'm not a communist by any stretch of the imagination but I'm definitely more left leaning and liberal, and the community aspect here is decent so far.

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[-] jcb2016@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I mode 3 subs on reddit. my biggest is 75k but i only get like 4 post a day from my biggest sub. It's a big sub to me. we went dark on the 12th I checked reddit yesterday quickly and looked like in mod-mail I had a join request. I can only hope that Reddit takes notice of us and changes it's tune. Lemmy is awesome and I hope it gets better and surpasses Reddit

[-] amcjv12@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I unfortunately think 1 is the most likely, at least for now. A one-time disruption won't be enough to sink Reddit. What could permanently change things is the sustained build-up of viable alternatives over time. So I guess you can look at the blackout stuff not as the end for Reddit, but maybe the canary in the coal mine for a gradual descent.

[-] Nymphioxetine@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

I think no matter what Reddit won’t be exactly the same. The smaller the community the bigger the impact.

I’ve just resigned myself to needing to make a big change.

[-] markipol@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Same. I'm done just being a content/ad zombie for them

[-] Kilograph@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ends? Its already over. You, me, and many who have replied here have moved on. Reddit isn't going anywhere but its just another site many of us will slowly see as irrelevant or uninteresting as the weeks and months tick by. For a short while in my past, DeviantArt was crazy cool. Reddit had a good run. Is Lemmy the crazy cool thing now? I dunno but I'm certainly enjoying it for the moment.

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