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It can go one of a few ways.

  1. Apart from the few subs that remain offline, it'll basically be back to normal. Those that do remain offline indefinitely just get forcibly reopened or recreated by admins, especially huge subreddits like /r/videos. Smaller ones just get redicted to /r/topicnew or some other creative name.

  2. A lot of subreddits and more importantly moderators and users leave the site permanently. In order for this to happen however, there'd have to be a consensus alternative, which there isn't ATM. Otherwise, these communities are pretty much lost forever unless the mods put a message to go to X alternative service in the "subreddit is private" banner. Tbh, I don't think people are gonna stomach losing years of their lives in an instant so they'll just re create subreddits unless the mods provide an alternative.

No matter what though, they're not backing down on the effective removal of the API (still leaving the sneaky clause "you can pay us if you want but it'll be a king's ransom" for AI, even though they can just trawl the web manually lol). They'll probably announce some crappy customization features to hoodwink those who don't know what an API is and lie to them and say it's "API v2" or whatever.

I just honestly don't know how it's going to shake out and I'm scared im going to lose these communities. I don't give a single solitary fuck about Reddit the company anymore, and I never did really. I just hope all of the subreddits find a new home and don't just shrug their shoulders and say "welp, guess that's it guys".

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[–] KillaBeez@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’m honestly done with Reddit and I really hope enough people find a new home outside of it when this is all said and done. Hanging out on here has made me realize how toxic and mentally draining Reddit actually is.

I think Reddit will continue to grow into a normie cesspool of children and mentality I’ll folks and will eventually go the way of FB and Twitter where the interesting and saine folks will dig out new communities in some other place to be determined

[–] thegameoverguy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I couldn’t agree more with your opinion on Reddit. Over the past 10 years it has become so much more toxic and unwelcoming. It is hivemind culture and it is only going to get worse over time. The reporting on the Boston bombings should have been writing on the walls and that was a good while ago. Looking at it now, I just can’t believe how depressing it was just doom scrolling on that app daily.

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[–] CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Squabbles seems to have not hit user critical mass. Tildes looks like it's doing well.

The Lemmy + Kbin fediverse seems to be taking off like a rocket and has the best overall chance IMO of becoming the home for the best parts of Reddit's community.

[–] KillaBeez@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

While I’m enjoying my time here and I’m honestly shocked with the amount of engagement so far, I just don’t see the “fedaverse” ever gaining any mainstream traction. It’s unintuitive and the barrier of entry is way too high. Even googling “Lemmy” doesn’t bring up useful results.

Something like squabbles has a better chance for mainstream appeal, but it would need a miracle as it’s only one duder

That being said, I’ll still be here!

[–] Monkeyhog@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly, the lack of mainstream appeal is part of why I like it.

[–] rolaulten@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just remember - as content is generated SEO is naturally going to improve, which will start to bring people into kbin/lemmy via Google.

As people spend time here marketing types will start to notice. Shortly thereafter we will see bots. To me, how we as a community handle those bots will be the real "does this experiment survive" test.

[–] teflocarbon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Absolutely. It's only a matter of time before someone sees the value in the information/data that is here and begin indexing the entire fediverse/site and working on SEO for it.

There are countless examples of indexers for GitHub for example, if you do any searching for questions related to coding. Pretty much every issue and repo has been indexed.

When reddit first popped up, posts from it came up in search results very rarely, now it's pretty much at the top of many searches, since it's a bastion of knowledge and community groups.

It's really only a matter of time if things do go well here.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Me too. No large corporations guiding the communities and more open discussions can be had without fear of being banned.

[–] Grander@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

more open discussions can be had without fear of being banned.

Not sure about that. I saw a post today about lemmy.ml's admin, who's also one of the main lemmy developers, banning people who said something bad about China for "orientalism", then doubling down in it in the comments. Apparently mod logs for any instance can be accessed by any mod of any other instance. Otherwise I wouldn't have even known. Not sure how I feel about using a service developed by someone so toxic, who's also in charge of a big chunk of user accounts.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If you dont like the moderation here you can use a different instances. Thats the main reason why Lemmy has federation. And our job is to build this software, not be perfect moderators who somehow make everyone happy.

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[–] onepinksheep@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Even googling “Lemmy” doesn’t bring up useful results.

It's not helped by the fact that it has the same name as a famous musician. Googling for Lemmy just brings him up — the Fediverse doesn't show up unless you scroll down a ways, if it even shows on the front page at all. Same with Tildes and Squabbles, both being already existing words. Branding is important for recognizability, and "Reddit" has the advantage of being a unique name.

[–] Gild@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

I'd rather it not have a big mainstream appeal.. feels like every time I start to get into something the normies show up and start ruining it. So far I've been enjoying what I see here and am interested to see what happens.

[–] CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I want to add, that my wife has been a "scab" throughout all this and has been active on reddit, trying to show me memes and such.

The content she's been showing me has been stale, old stuff I saw back in 2020. Same recycled jokes, same memes. Reddit is in a mode of hard cope right now and I doubt it gets better if we don't return.

[–] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I want to add, that my wife has been a “scab” throughout all this and has been active on reddit, trying to show me memes and such.

Seems like grounds for a divorce.

I kid of course! My girlfriend is staying off Reddit, but she’s definitely missing it and hasn’t found a good substitute for her mix of subreddits yet. It’s especially rough since twitter’s gone downhill, and that was her other main scrollable content.

[–] greenfish@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago

My husband deleted his account in solidarity even though I think he doesn't fully understand the nuances of the issue

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[–] Marxine@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

On the 3rd meme recycle people wil get bored already. It probably takes less than a month to happen, as long as the "community strike" continues.

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[–] SeatBeeSate@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This isn't going to be a great migration. More of a great fragmentation.

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[–] UnbelievableCloud@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

According to Reddit’s internal memo, they expect this to blow over Wednesday with most subreddits returning, and they reported no drop in revenue so far. So they’re not likely to give in yet.

What needs to happen is that the blackout needs to continue indefinitely, and more communities need to start migrating to lemmy/kbin. If we move the content here, people will move too.

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[–] Silverhand@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Reddit was never going to just shut down overnight, but it's more or less done for me (barring some sudden change with the API stuff, but even then I'd make an effort to use it less). I'll keep my account around and might occasionally go to it to look up specific things or visit more niche communities that don't have much of a presence here or on other alternatives yet, but I'm done with just generally browsing reddit or providing any content for them. I'm enjoying it here and hope the boost in activity allows for continued growth and filling out of communities for more specific topics.

[–] silversnow__@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

you cant really return to normalcy from this, but i dont think most users care. whenever i get into a casual convo about the fediverse online, the general consensus from people is 'yeah reddit isnt going to die, i'll stay on reddit for my communities'. so if the majority think reddit isn't going to die and continue using the site, it probably wont die! it'll just go back to normal with a few million less users (which actually isnt that much for a big site) unless spez hilariously fucks up

really the fediverse is just a lot of people who like tech at the end of the day, not the average web user

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[–] FaceDeer@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think we'll see a temporary "return to normalcy" after the protest finishes and most subs come back online. But come June 30 and the end of third-party apps, we'll see a bunch of users come back to Lemmy/Kbin again.

In a way, this seems like the best way of driving things. The protest has raised awareness and got a ton of development work going, and then there's going to be a respite giving instances time to prepare themselves for the second surge.

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[–] gimlithepirate@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I think the mod tools are what will blow reddit up ultimately. It's why I'm here.

The third party apps are a hard self own, but I don't use reddit because of third party apps. I use third party apps because the reddit official app is... Special. If they'd forced me to sue their app I would be annoyed, but still interested in reddit.

If you destroy the key tools that enable volunteer moderators to manage communities, the community will die. Example: two of my favorite subs were legaladvice, and bestoflegaladvice. Both required extensive moderating to function (and even then, it was prone to shit shows particularly at LA). No mod tools would make it unmoderatable... Which turns you into Voat pretty fast.

So, I don't think reddit dies July 1. I think reddit spends the next year turning into Twitter, and lemmy has to run as fast as it can to scale.

Hopefully, this is my last post on lemmy talking about reddit, but I doubt I'm that lucky.

[–] Fish89@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Reddit has pissed me off with this move and I hope this decision of theirs kills the value of the company and scares investors away. Money is the only thing they care about so hopefully they feel the sting. The loss of Apollo really upsets me and I’m hoping that maybe the developer will consider building a Lemmy app.

[–] Nymphioxetine@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think no matter what Reddit won’t be exactly the same. The smaller the community the bigger the impact.

I’ve just resigned myself to needing to make a big change.

[–] markipol@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

Same. I'm done just being a content/ad zombie for them

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[–] amcjv12@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I unfortunately think 1 is the most likely, at least for now. A one-time disruption won't be enough to sink Reddit. What could permanently change things is the sustained build-up of viable alternatives over time. So I guess you can look at the blackout stuff not as the end for Reddit, but maybe the canary in the coal mine for a gradual descent.

[–] Perdendosi@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm voting for #1. Even the subs that remain offline will be replaced.

But there's a caveat-- I think Reddit will start to suck more quickly than it has, and, without some core mods and content providers, will become pretty much a shell of itself in a few years. Maybe it's before it's public; maybe it's after.

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Yeah if the whole Netflix thing has taught us anything it's that people don't want to change and will put up with being treated like absolute garbage to remain in their comfortable space. Reddit will be fine. But I do hope enough people leave and stay here to start a new thriving community long term.

[–] markipol@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

Probably this, yeah

[–] goldenarchmage@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I think you're wildly overestimating that timetable - over on that site I'm a member of a sub where you need intimate knowledge of the subject to moderate it effectively (and because of the nature of the subject it gets a lot of trolls to put it mildly). With no community mods that sub would become a cesspit within days, as would subs that are currently the focus of the alt-right, such as science, LGBT subs etc. It's going to be a bin fire if the community mods leave - you'll feel so dirty you'll have to take a shower after every visit to your previously favourite subs...

[–] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Hard agree. A few years back I was a member of a local subreddit that only had one mod. It was small enough that they were able to keep up with spam/moderating. Then one day it started getting brigaded by one of the racist subreddits. One of the many ones that had an unrepeatable name (variant on a racial slur) that’s since been banned.

We later found out that sole mod had gone camping for a few days, so there was no one to remove all the explicit racism and ban people. They immediately cleaned up and notified admins when they got back, but I can see how quickly a community can turn awful if you don’t have dedicated mods.

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[–] Fixtor@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We already tried to move to Voat in 2015 and it... didn't turn out very well...

I think if the Apollo dev actually releases an Apollo-based app for Lemmy then we might get a chance.

[–] fcuks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think a lot of people (myself included) were put off voat due the right wing politics and seemingly toxic nature of the site.

With regards to Lemmy - I'm not a communist by any stretch of the imagination but I'm definitely more left leaning and liberal, and the community aspect here is decent so far.

[–] skeletorsass@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Yes the first and only time I opened that site there was a cartoon image of a jewish stereotype rubbing his hands together upvoted on the front page.

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago

I don't think there has to be a consensus alternative. People are finding different spaces. For some it's this, for others it's raddle or Tildes...

I think part of the problem with reddit is it got too big. It might be a good thing if things become less centralized.

[–] ampcold@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It would not crash and burn but rather be messy and decrease in quality gradually over time. Sort of like Twitter.

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[–] jcb2016@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

I mode 3 subs on reddit. my biggest is 75k but i only get like 4 post a day from my biggest sub. It's a big sub to me. we went dark on the 12th I checked reddit yesterday quickly and looked like in mod-mail I had a join request. I can only hope that Reddit takes notice of us and changes it's tune. Lemmy is awesome and I hope it gets better and surpasses Reddit

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A return to normality is impossible since there will be no more third party apps. It may seem like things are as they were besides that, but the progressive move by Reddit to ignore Reddit's core value proposition (link aggregation and commenting) will continue, only to be replaced by attention towards monetisation-centric features no one asked for like NFTs & followers (which the third party apps ignored, gee I wonder why).

Reddit has a cancer. You can either stay in denial and experience the terminal death in slow, painful motion, or you can just move on now.

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