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I know - you're very probably already sixteen. That's why we are here.

If you've managed to miss the coming change in the law, I envy you. This silly law has taken up several hours of my year that could have been spent doing something more productive like watching Golden Girls.

But, the law is here now and we need to take "Reasonable Steps" to ensure that everyone is over sixteen. If you are wondering what "reasonable steps" is, then join the club. Nobody really knows. What I do know is that we have to start to make an effort to be sure that no young'uns are here against the law.

To that end, we have hired a helpful bot called Molly. She's an expert at being sixteen and she's just been told that it's her job is to verify all your ages. Here she is:

What's next? Well, in the first phase we ask that you drop her a Message that verifies you are over 16. She doesn't want to see your government ID. Some ideas that she would accept are:

  1. A passenger takes a photo of your username on a sheet of paper with you driving (please don't make this one a selfie). Faces not required.
  2. A photo of your username with a glass of alcohol at a bar.
  3. A convincing spiel that would only come from someone older than sixteen (Can you tell Molly who Samantha is?). Can you tell her about the Breakfast Club that only 70's/80's kids from Queensland would know?
  4. Anything else you can think of that only someone over sixteen could/would do.

There's no need to spend a lot of time on this. At this point, I'll go through the users who have messaged her and compile a list of people who have verified their age. You can be creative. Just be aware that there's an infinitesimal chance (but not zero) that whatever you send may be sent to some government agency to demonstrate that we are complying with the law.

Frequently Asked Questions:

  1. How do you know that the user isn't faking their submission? I don't. No method is perfect, we saw kids defeating intricate and expensive verification systems earlier this year. Kids are smart.
  2. How do you stop a kid from moving their account to one of the thousands of non-Australian Lemmy Instances and just continuing on with their day? I can't. The fact that the law is totally ineffectual in the context of Lemmy is beside the point. We clearly meet the definition of a Social Media platform according to the law, and we are based in Australia. So we have to comply, even if it is pointless.
  3. Are you aware that this is pointless and kids are going to get around it? I know that teenage-me sure would have. But again, that's beside the point. We need to comply with the law.
  4. Will you accept a photo of me in my undies? Ok, this one isn't frequent from previous discussions on the law, but I wanted to include it in case. Please don't send NSFW photos to show you are over age.
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[–] Railison@aussie.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I gave Molly my ICQ number

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a great idea, but keep in mind I'm likely to test it.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The service was shut down on June 26, 2024

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Noooo!
I used my icq all the time! In 1997.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 2 points 3 days ago

I have offered Molly my dentures and discussed clocking Time Pilot in 1985. I pray this is enough for Lobbyland.

[–] TheHolm@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is there a way to check whether I sent her a message? I’m sure I did, but I can’t find it anywhere.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 1 points 4 days ago

Go to your messages and then "All".

[–] Soirhyle@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have sent Molly some verification, going with the alcohol route eight days ago. However, I haven't heard anything back so far, so I can't say for sure if I am approved or not.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sorry - December is a busy time. It took me a while to set up the system to record stuff in a way that we can report on it if that ever becomes a thing. I've started replying to the messages, but there are 130 to go as I look at the inbox right now. I'll get to you, I promise.

[–] Kurroth@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I've been slack AF with* messaging Molly, and coming up with a mildly not boring way to confirm age without compromising my footprint. What's the time frame you want to get stuff confirmed before you start canning accounts?

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 4 points 5 days ago

Once I'm through the messages waiting for me, I'll DM the stragglers. I don't know when/if I'm legally required to outright ban non-verified accounts. But for now any delay in getting users verified is on me.

Bluesky asked me to enter my date of birth when I logged in recently. I'm fairly positive that level of effort is mentioned in the legislation as not enough "reasonable steps". There's no way a kid would just lie, right?

We're minnows in the Australian web landscape, and that's probably being generous. I seriously doubt the government is coming after us any time soon to be sure we're responding properly. But if they do, I can and would demonstrate that we've been doing our best.

We're doing something at least. My 14-year-old regaled me with his friends' response to the ban and how completely ineffectual it has been so far. Nobody has been impacted yet, they're just going about their day with whatever accounts they had before December 10.

[–] Soirhyle@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago

All good. The final month of the year is without question the busiest for a lot of folk. Don't push too hard, though.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Is molly a bot? Because right now i am stuck in an extremely aggravating idiot loop.

I have literally added my aussie.zone to my ye olde reddit profile to prove my over-sixteenness, but it keeps telling me it can't verify that's actually me unless i ...shit up some random reddit thread with a comment saying the wxact same thing that is going to get immediately deleted

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, that was me. I'm working from the Molly inbox because mine is full of user reports and site-wide stuff. Keeping the user verifications in the Molly account just means we keep them separate from anything else. I'll have another look tonight (I can't access Reddit from work) and see if I missed something.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago

thanks, it just seemed a bit robotic and I was having flashbacks to...oh every single IVR I've ever had to fight professionally lol

[–] melbaboutown@aussie.zone 30 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

I no longer drink, don’t have a car and don’t wish to appear in any photos. And despite having been a redditor for 12 years, changing handles frequently for privacy means I’ve been Melbaboutown for much less than that. I’m not sharing any other accounts as the long term ones are doxable.

It sucks that Lemmy is being forced to do this and I wouldn’t even humour it for a second if it wasn’t you guys asking.

Guess if I want to keep talking to you awesome units Molly is just going to have to hear about my calcium pills, gaming off floppy discs as a child, and how I still have the Walkman I owned as a teen. Also Video Ezy and Blockbuster.

Whether the government wants to believe me is up to them.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I just added my aussie.zone nick to my reddit profile. Considering that account itself is almost a teenager, should be good.

Don't make me break out my livejournal. I'll do it. I'm a madwoman.

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[–] imoldgreeeg@aussie.zone 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Well the Mighty Boosh was 20 years ago, and I have clearly drunk baileys from a shoe...

.. but in seriousness thanks Nath. Love this little corner of the interwebs and appreciate you dealing with this stupidity to keep it rolling

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[–] Tau@aussie.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

One of the places I work at has a display cabinet showing historical media formats and devices, seeing things in it like the zip disc and the Sony camera that took floppies always makes me feel like Elrond:

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[–] No1@aussie.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Just a thanks to everyone involved with keeping things running here and dealing with not only our stupidity, but the stupidity of our stupid government.

And, Molly! Whoooooo, girrrrrrrrrrrrl! You have a job ahead of you! Good luck and thank you to you too!

(Edit: And I think I messed up my submission already sorry 🫣)

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This account will be visiting from another geolocation which isn't subject to Australian laws and will henceforth identify as a foreign bot trying to disrupt Australian society and promote disunity. I request to be labelled as a foreign asset, not subject to age authorisation. In small print add "works for gambling industry, owns coal mine, makes political donations, VIP, mates with Albo and the Pope"

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[–] TheFermentalist@reddthat.com 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What if I promise faithfully (so help me Dog) that I am over 16? If that doesn’t work, my 20 year old son will vouch for me. And anyone else willing to pay him.

[–] Molly@aussie.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Thanks for bringing that up. The good news is that it only affects users at our instance. I should make that clearer on the title. That's one of the reasons the law is pointless. A kid can sign up at another instance that isn't in Australia and be otherwise unaffected.

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[–] PeelerSheila@aussie.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago

Just want to add at this point that I am loving this post and all the responses. Getting old is so bittersweet 😔

[–] johnwicksdog@aussie.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago

These strategies are quite nice. I was worried I would have to show my license which I’m not entirely comfortable with. I can easily talk about how my friend skateboarded to my house after the breakfast club first aired so we could excitedly discuss it and I could take a photo of drinking a pint while driving. Easy.

[–] eatham@aussie.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What happens if I don't get around to it by the 10th? Will my account be deleted, or temporarily disabled until I provide proof? I likely won't be able to do it in time.

Also, is it ok to send govt ID with the info blacked out (with Date of birth visible)?

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 15 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

This is the first round of verification. There will be more than one. At some point I'll resort to sending direct messages to stragglers.

The law is vague about our requirements. It's vague on lots of things.

We need to proactively ban users who identify themselves as children. We don't have to immediately ban every unverified account, but at some point we're going to need to have some sort of record of age verification for active users.

Waste of everyone's time? Yep.

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[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago

After reading through the post I will be jumping ship, later boys I'll see you in another instance

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Ooh - I missed this update last week:

This genuinely boggles my mind. The government can make sentences like this, but they can't make them reality. Imagine if it said that only people with red hair were allowed to access the site. What technology exists to handle that? Because it is effectively what we are facing. We can only try our best - but we can't assure the government 100% that no user has tricked us onto the platform. And I'd still say that if I had the resources of Google to ensure compliance.

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[–] trk@aussie.zone 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How about an account I created 20 years ago, does that count? 😁

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/user/75046

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] trk@aussie.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Holy smokes, triple digits 😳... What a flex

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[–] Nath@aussie.zone 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

That would absolutely count if you can somehow send Molly a message she can verify from that account. Make a post form your sixteen-year old Whirlpool/Reddit/etc account saying that you are user@aussie.zone and then send the link to the post to Molly. Sorted.

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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's funny how the mainstream media has focused only on listing the big social media giants as being the targets.

I've also had a message from another not so mainstream hookup app that the proof of age is coming and to prepared to comply. How remains to be seen.

I must say I really like the idea of ordering a drink at a bar with the user name.

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[–] sola@aussie.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Thanks for your efforts.

You can delete this account if you feel the need to, not interested in all verification stuff, even if is half arsed.

Actually joined the Internet when I was 16 back in 1994. Back then using Excite to search the Internet was better than what Google is today.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I just mentioned rewinding VHS tapes and loving limpbizkit, is this proof :|

https://aussie.zone/post/27191076/20122605

I guess the question I have, what % of us are under 30? Do people under 30 know about the internet outside of instagram/reddit/facebook/youtube?

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'll write my username above my pubes with a sharpie. That'll prove I'm 16, yeah?

[–] CEOofmyhouse56@aussie.zone 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you think this is bush week?

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[–] zero_gravitas@aussie.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Just be aware that there’s an infinitesimal chance (but not zero) that whatever you send may be sent to some government agency to demonstrate that we are complying with the law.

On this point, as I understand it, the personal information provided for verification can - and indeed should - be destroyed once it has been used for the purpose it was provided.

I assume you might need to keep a (non-identifying) record of how a user was age-verified to prove that you've been complying, but not the personal data used to do the verification.

Albo has been claiming that Australian privacy law requires that the data be destroyed once it's used for age verification, but the language of the law I think has 'reasonable' in there, which gives more wiggle room than the GDPR, for example. It was discussed on the Law Report on Radio National: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/lawreport/countdown-to-australia-s-social-media-ban/105871968 (sorry, no idea of the timestamp, and there doesn't seem to be a transcript either)

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[–] gmask1@aussie.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Dang I wish I still had my usbourne programming books. Those little robots carrying 1’s and 0’s while I programmed in basic on the apple ][ were made for this verification.

Edit: my steam account just turned 21. That’s a bit terrifying actually, but it has a use.

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