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FCC details plan to restore the net neutrality rules repealed by Ajit Pai (arstechnica.com)

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FCC details plan to restore the net neutrality rules repealed by Ajit Pai::Democrats finally have 3-2 majority needed to regulate ISPs as common carriers.

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[-] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 108 points 11 months ago

Fuck that sell-out Ajit Pai.

[-] chrischryse@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago

Ashit Pai*

[-] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

A shit pie ?

[-] poopiddy@pawb.social 8 points 11 months ago

more like Ajit POO

[-] mcribbs@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I have nothing to really add but I just want to say fuck Ajit Pai... Oooooo that felt good.

[-] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 53 points 11 months ago

First positive political thing I've heard in a while. Fuck that guy. Fucking hate him

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago

O.o The debt relief of students wasn’t positive?

[-] swordsmanluke@programming.dev 8 points 11 months ago

I thought that got blocked - or at least, tied up in court. I know there are ongoing initiatives, but isn't the only "big" one, the one that was repaying funds -stolen- from borrowers? Like, refunding overpayments?

[-] omicron@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

The one-time loan forgiveness grant got shut down, yes. But Biden did manage to pass another way to handle student debt relief through the form of a revamped income repayment plan, with wayyyyy more forgiving terms than previous plans, to the point that you could essentially be forgiven of your student loans.

[-] dan@lemmy.fdr8.us 2 points 11 months ago

That's my understanding as well. The current initiative is far more limited in scope, and pays back students who were defrauded by scam schools.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

I believe it’s still happening through executive order?

[-] shitwolves@lemmynsfw.com 52 points 11 months ago

We can still throw rocks at ajit pai if we see him thought, right?

[-] Sendbeer@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago

I think that is written into the Geneva conventions.

[-] JumperK@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

yes

[-] Random_user@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Make
Internet
A
Federally
Protected
Utility
You sons of bitches

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We'll have to get rid of some conservatives in congress first. Conservatives (and some neo-liberals) rake in legal bribes from ISP's and are also champing at the bit to control all forms of communication.

Conservatism is a plague of oppression and corruption.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Remember that absolutely fucking stupid ad Ajit made about using the net? Awful.

[-] Uncaged_Jay@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

In all seriousness, what has having these laws repealed done? I'm asking because I don't know.

[+] xenspidey@lemmy.zip -33 points 11 months ago

The rules have never really been in affect, all the things that folks warned would happen without net neutrality hasn't happened.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 11 months ago

My Verizon plan explicitly limits YouTube video to 1080p. If I paid for a lower plan, it would limit me to 720p.

I have no option to go beyond 1080p, even if I’m on the fastest possible connection.

Of course, if I were to turn on a VPN, I can suddenly stream at any quality my connection can handle.

This is a real world example of what you claim hasn’t happened. And you can verify it yourself by looking at their available plans.

[-] xenspidey@lemmy.zip -1 points 11 months ago

Is that a mobile plan? Mobile sas exempt from NN rules I believe so it wouldn't matter.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It has though. Traffic shaping is common, especially on mobile networks where video streams and VPN traffic will get deprioritized and throttled to force lower resolution playback for certain services. Many mobile ISPs are actually pretty open that they do this. In other cases this stuff is done quietly enough that you don't really notice it is happening. Mobile operators get away with it because people are almost trained to expect mobile networks to be flaky.

[-] xenspidey@lemmy.zip -3 points 11 months ago

Mobile I believe is exempt anyways. Traffic shaping is a necessity from a network admin perspective. If you allow mobile networks to not have QOS restrictions then there could be times where you wouldn't be able to make a phone call because everyone around you is streaming 8k videos.

[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Yet

[-] ZMonster@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

all the things that folks warned would happen without net neutrality hasn't happened.

I don't think that's fair at all. Since we have never really had NN, then I would ask you to define what it is first. If you say that NN prevents ISPs from provisioning off websites in bundles then I would say, you're not wrong but I massively dispute your definition of NN.

It is supposed to protect a free and open internet. I think I can safely state that. I think we can agree to that as a basis. And I can think of dozens of things that are going on right now that only serve to disarm and control users in order to strip-mine them of as much value as possible. If ISPs were utilities then you would have access to their financial reports, you could see their service reports, you would be able to know how they have and plan to allocate resources, and you would have at least transparency if not influence in decisions they choose to make that affect the cost of service. Imagine if they would have to apply for a tariff audit just to get approved to raise rates?

Are you truly arguing that this hypothetical alternate dimension is somehow imperceivably different than our own?

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Net neutrality was never intended to turn ISPs into public utilities. Its purpose was to turn them into "common carriers," which means they must treat all traffic equally.

[-] ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

You're not wrong, but your distinction is meaningless since common carriers in the US are often regulated by the same governing rules and very often the same governing bodies as public utilities.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I do not believe that is correct.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/regulating-internet-service-providers-as-common-carriers-will-not-satisfy-net-neutrality-advocates/

That gives a better, more thorough explanation of what the FCC is aiming to do. While public utilities are governed by regulations much like a common carrier is, it won't result in what you were stating in your original comment (i.e. the same level of internal transparency that public utilities must comply with).

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

That's more or less because I'm healing the rules for such a controversial decision, that no one wants to take that publicity for being the first to violate them. However we know that the rule isn't there eventually someone's going to take that bite, they're going to get Flack for it, and then everyone else is just going to do it and it will just be accepted as normal.

I'm a gamer this is basically what happened with horse armor, and now microtransactions are basically expected

[-] Uncaged_Jay@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

That's what I've been told, so I don't get why they're pushing it

[-] Smacks@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Literally can't live without the internet these days. It needs to be a protected utility like any other.

[-] Cihta@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

The article mentions CA still enforcing net neutrality rules. How does that work? Eventually you have to hop outside the state for many services.. are those backbones required to abide by those rules or can they still throttle as a result being out of state?

I firmly believe in all data being treated equally for the record and I hope this gets fixed. ISPs were kind of slow on throttling but it's becoming more and more obvious in the last couple years in my experience.

[-] erranto@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Couldn't they have done it earlier ? instead of waiting until the elections ?

[-] FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee 41 points 11 months ago

No. The Republicans have stalled confirming a replacement until just now. Up until now the committee has been dead locked with 2 Democrats and two Republicans.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Federal Communications Commission Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel today announced plans to restore net neutrality rules similar to those that were adopted during the Obama era and then repealed by the FCC when Donald Trump was president.

Rosenworcel announced her plans in a speech today, one day after the FCC gained a 3-2 Democratic majority with the swearing-in of Commissioner Anna Gomez.

Similar to the previous rules, FCC officials said they don't plan to impose rate regulation or "unbundling" requirements that would force broadband providers to share networks with other companies.

In a fact sheet, the FCC said the proposal would "establish basic rules for Internet Service Providers that prevent them from blocking legal content, throttling your speeds, and creating fast lanes that favor those who can pay for access."

California enforces net neutrality rules that mirror what the FCC adopted in 2015 and beat industry attempts to get the state law overturned.

Rosenworcel said that because FCC authority is generally centered on phone systems instead of broadband, the commission often needs "duct tape and baling wire" to provide legal justification for its rules.

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[-] Manmoth@lemmy.ml -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Most internet companies are screwy specifically because the government helped them become regional monopolies in the first place. This will make internet more expensive and worse. What is this even trying to solve? You can get fast internet in middle of nowehere Montana with Starlink at $120/month right now.

[-] Artoink@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I remember when my internet service got cheaper after Net Neutrality was repealed.

[-] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

What did happen when it was repealed?

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