Some interesting 'definitely something to that' bits in there, and some utter obvious bullshit. But it is all fun.
Along with Marinetti, he's part of the last gasp of the right having anything at least interesting to say about god damn anything.
THE Lemmy community for visual arts. Paintings, sculptures, photography, architecture are all welcome amongst others.
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Some interesting 'definitely something to that' bits in there, and some utter obvious bullshit. But it is all fun.
Along with Marinetti, he's part of the last gasp of the right having anything at least interesting to say about god damn anything.
It should be noted that he is not contemporary, he was an early 20th century philosopher (1880-1936), that's why some of this sounds strange and outdated.
Wow, there's a lot to grapple with, there.
the upward-reaching cathedrals of the Middle Ages were inspired by the forests of Northern Europe.
I'd argue that at some level, they were also inspired by very special caves, like Lascaux, Altamira, and Bhimbetka, used by their ancestors quite possibly for religious ceremonies. The 'wombs of the world,' so to speak, which transported community members in to a dark, tall, sacred place, for sacred purposes.
Spengler says this is because all art forms (and all non-natural expressions of life) originate from religion.
This reminds me of what Joseph Campbell has said about the role of artists, which was to be counterparts of priests and holy men. That is, interpreters of hidden forces of nature, expressed through the currency of their culture.
He also remarked that the tallest object in the area tended to represent the most important thing to the local peoples. So, trees representing nature, later churches representing religion, and finally, office buildings representing lucre. When collapse finally finishes us off, I suppose the dead hulks of tall buildings will be a fitting symbol, indeed.
“Of great painting or great music there can no longer be, for Western people, any question. Their architectural possibilities have been exhausted these hundred years. Only extensive possibilities are left to them.”
That's a little too cynical and sweeping for my liking. Music has notably undergone a series of revolutions over the last 100yrs or so, altho indeed, one can certainly see it stagnating badly in certain popular areas, these days. There have even been some pretty extensive and technical articles and commentary pointing out the hows and whys. As for art... yeah, that's interesting. I guess we could say it's more about technique and style trained upon the extremely odd lives that we moderns live, far more than about a 'world-feeling.'
It's a rare opinion that makes me not care at all whether I agree or disagree, but instead I just enjoy chewing on it for a while. I feel it's best to hold his ideas lightly, but I want to hold them all the same.
Oh you have no clue how much I love caves in all artforms. (Or maybe you do, I spend a day posting all about it)
Damn adding the Joseph Campbell idea there is bloody brilliant.
I have far too much to say about all three of the things you talked about. Man we should do some conversation posts on this comm sometime soon. With very specific ppints instead of vague ideas.
Such convos sound fun, but would generally have to be a bit plodding in nature, given my health.
No, I didn't know about your relationship with caves. I still tend to bounce between the FV and Reddit, missing some days here.
Me, I had good, fun experiences with big caves in the American South, when I was a lad. Sure, they were touristy in nature, using colorful banks of lights to highlight various natural formations, but they also felt surprisingly homey to me. Later, I was on a cross-country trip with a GF, and had the opportunity to tour another cave in the American SW. Unfortunately, the proprietors had gone for a cheesy, comedy-style presentation, which included comic mannequin scenes and similar bullshit. I felt it deeply disrespectful to the natural beauty of the place, and we wound up storming out and getting a refund. The guide was astounded, but I guess that speaks to the character of their usual customers.
Did you ever read Tom Sawyer? It has a lot of great plot devoted to the local cave.
Love ya buddy. Get well soon ❤️
Ew not the other place 😞.
OK both of your cave experiences are pretty amazing for different reasons lol.
Havent read Tom Sawyer yet unfortunately.
Thanks, but it's a lifelong health issue, CFS/ME. :-/
Yeah I know, unfortunately they still have a lot of various subs and useful posters that just haven't made it to the FV yet.
Well take care mate.
And yeah I get the need to keep an account on the other site.
I really like you. We'll do our thing and have some fun, for as long as I last. :D
He predicted that Western civilization would enter the period of pre‑death emergency around the year 2000, which would lead to 200 years of Caesarism (extra-constitutional omnipotence of the executive branch of government) before Western civilization's final collapse.
Hm. Maybe the guy was on to something after all.
So soaring cathedrals were inspired by mechanically planted monoculture tree farms?