I wish people would stop talking about "AI browsers" like everyone even knows what that actually means.
this post was submitted on 17 Dec 2025
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At this point nothing will stop me having a visceral negative reaction to AI being added to any product after literally every single other implementation in literally every other product has been annoying fucking dogshit. It could be the best thing ever and I'd still react negatively because I never want to hear the god damn word again.
Every company wants AI even though they have no idea how it helps their business or their company.
My grocery store app does not need AI when they can't even get search right.
I wish everyone would stop talking about AI…
Firefox clones like librewolf and waterfox greatly increase the supply chain attack risk, but they seems more and more attractive every day
We still need some organisational alternative to Mozilla. None of the privacy forks would survive Firefox going away.
Yes all the derivatives would die if Firefox went away.
Waterfox is fantastic! I also self host searxng and have it set as the default search engine in waterfox. private search!
Waterfox might have just got a new convert here.
Will they have an android version on f droid ? Prefer not to use Google play...
No https://search.f-droid.org/?q=waterfox and they don't seem to list it on their official page either. Please show your interest at https://github.com/BrowserWorks/waterfox/issues/4002
Im looking at changing now.
Me also but to what?
To waterfox instead of Firefox
male to female
I just switched from Firefox to waterfox. It took less than five minutes, and the installation is quite straightforward on Linux. Move the folder to opt, make a symlink, and create a .desktop. The instructions are on the website. I suggest switching the default search to duckduckgo.
I just switched to it on my android. Set as default. So far so good. Never heard of it until today.
I'm currently in the process of switching to Waterfox while I wait to see what Ladybird can do, and so far I'm pretty happy with my decision.
Check out Vivaldi's Roadmap for 2026 😀
not AI, and still not open source either
and chromium based
Jokes aside, is Vivaldi good? Is it worth looking into even tho it’s just another chromium browser?
Yes, using it since 10 years as main browser. It's the most advanced browser out there, good privacy, great ethics to the user by this EU company (employee owned cooperative in Norway), perfect transparency, great community, and yes it isn't OpenSource, but source available (https://github.com/ric2b/Vivaldi-browser, https://vivaldi.com/source/), the proprietary part (5% of the UI script is 100% auditable and even moddeable by the user, in the forum they show how (naturally at own risk)). It's Chromium based (de-googled), but not a simple fork like other.
All that is very intriguing. Chromium based browser make me weary, but Im willing to add it to my rotation of browsers. Thanks for the response.
This reply exchange reads like astroturfing.
Not my intent, I was honestly curious what separated Vivaldi from the dozens of other Blink browsers. Also, I’m earnestly interested in pushing my preconceived notions to the side and giving a new browser a test run.
It's very good! Honestly, try it. I use it on Android, Linux and Windows. Very customizable and pro-user, nice community.
It's based on Chromium but they declared they'll keep supporting Manifest v2 extensions (uBlock Origin etc.) how long it will be virtually possible even though Chrome blocked them.
Yeah, I had heard they are doing a lot to leverage chromium, but also distance themselves from it as much as they reasonably can. I’ll definitely have to give it another try, it just takes a lot for me to swallow the fact that’s chrome based browsers have to rely on google to some extent, but I’m intrigued by their way for doing it.
i've been pretty disallusioned with Mozilla leadership
i've jumped back to Chrome for the time being
i'll be moving to servo/verso as soon as it meets my needs
That's a wild take. That's like saying you're uncomfortable in the sauna so you moved to the desert.
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