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[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Trans and bisexual Jew here. As with all questions of Jewish law, the answer can be found, and optionally ignored, in the Talmud:

From where do we derive the prohibition and punishment for homosexual intercourse with a male? It is as the Sages taught in a baraita with regard to the verse: “And if a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood shall be upon them” (Leviticus 20:13): The word “man” excludes a minor boy. The phrase “lies with a male” is referring to any male, whether he is an adult man or whether he is a minor boy. The phrase “as with a woman [mishkevei isha],” referring to lying with a woman, appears in the plural. The verse teaches you that there are two manners of lying with a woman for which one who engages in intercourse with a woman forbidden to him is punished, vaginal and anal intercourse.

Sanhedrin 54a

Another fun law I just learned by looking this up

A man who engages in intercourse with a male or with an animal, and a woman who engages in intercourse with an animal, are executed by stoning. The animal is likewise stoned to death.

Sanhedrin 54a

The mishna teaches that Rabbi Yehuda says: A bachelor may not herd cattle, nor may two bachelors sleep with one covering. It is taught in the Tosefta (5:10): They said to Rabbi Yehuda: Jews are not suspected of engaging in homosexual intercourse nor of engaging in intercourse with an animal.

Kiddushin 82a

https://www.chabad.org/torah-texts/5299425/The-Talmud

[–] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 19 hours ago

Yea, stone that animal, too!

[–] Buffalobuffalo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

All this about laying down, but no rules for my ancient farm gloryhole. Everyone wonders how my one sheep stays so healthy without any teeth for grazing. Well boys, put your stones away since its standing room only in here.

[–] godfish@lemy.lol 3 points 23 hours ago

Anicient farm gloryhole.

That's the most beautiful thing I heard all year.

[–] Guttural@jlai.lu 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Surprise, read Leviticus and dare tell me the Bible itself is not homophobic.

You have to actually fact-check the stuff you post, and to not trust anything that sounds plausible or seems to confirm your biases.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck the homophobia, Christians should have to justify God calling for impaling literal infants with swords before we even talk about the gays.

And the genocide. And the rape. And the slavery. Old testament God was fugged up but their boy Jesus is God so he technically commanded all that OT bullshit personally.

[–] pyrrhrick@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Just deciding that Jesus shouldn't be portrayed as a white dude would be a start

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If you go by the greek translation instead of the more strict hebrew original, then only penetrating other men/boys is forbidden by this. So if you care about whatever is written in the bible go get railed and then stone whoever is fucking you.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

Preach! 🥰🤘🏼

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 1 points 1 day ago

Surprise the educated are bigots too

[–] kynzo@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (9 children)

quite off topic here but i feel the need to clarify. Pedophilia is not evil, a predator is. Now please don't jump to conclusions here, it is a very misrepresented topic due to its offensive nature. But pedophile is just someone that is attracted, which doesn't always mean they are predators. More then often it is not there fault (they can just be born like that or it can be caused by trauma), of course they should seek professional help but calling them evil before they do anything makes them not come out and not seek the help they need, thus causing more predators to exist. And just because I'm on thin ice here I will clarify again, I do NOT support pedophilia, I just don't like when people say pedophile when they mean predator. It is causing the problem to be worse. Hope someone takes this to heart and next time uses the right word, because words we use matter.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I understand that you are against pedophilia.

But people that are pro-pedophilia often use the same or similar arguments. That's why people have such a kneejerk reaction toward any 'apologia', and I'd say rightfully so

[–] kynzo@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Putting a group of people based on what they say in one bag and just having a negative reaction towards it not based on the actual contents of what was said is not rightful at all in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I get it. But that does not justify it and won't stop me from trying to change the world for the better.

To give an example it is like if someone got mad at me for saying that homelessness is a problem and it sucks just because radical communists say that as well.. and yes I know that this is very much the case for many people, but I have zero respect for such people. (to clarify obviously I am not a communist and I do no agree with it. In fact my country used to be under the rule of communism and it was not great. I live in Czechia)

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

You're allowed to say this stuff. Just be aware that some people are going to think you are trying to justify pedophilia, since people that try to justify pedophilia also use that same argument.

[–] kynzo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I get that and account for that, but by no means I don't believe those people's opinions are justified. I won't respect that opinion. 

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 91 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I mean, pretty much the first thing you learn if you look into it was that there were hundreds of stories that didn't make it into the 'official' Bible.

Female priests were redacted.

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

No. Not surprise.

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