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I feel like that's where we were before 2010 or so. Are these are the "traditional values" I keep hearing about?

Maybe more women are dumping religion. This would be the natural backlash from taking their reproductive rights away, because it's very common to become sceptical when some ideology starts to hurt you.

why not both

Reality is what they tell you it is.

You should be careful with how you interpret the religiosity data. Often people interpret people responding "None" to the question of "What is your religion?" as these people being atheists, but overwhelmingly that is not the case. I believe it's like over 70% of "religious nones" (the term used for people who respond this way on surveys in academic contexts) believe pretty strongly in the supernatural, and many believe in the existence of God and/or spirits that govern the world. When people say they don't belong to any religion on surveys, they apparently most often mean they don't belong to a particular organized religion rather than being atheist.

In this case, it still matters if they don't vote since before this change they would have voted for conservatives

Eh. For people choosing to vote for a fascist or sit out the election, the better choice is to sit it out. We should accept the little victory of them not voting at all if the alternative was Trumpism

Half of Gen Z doesn't remember a time when Trumpism wasn't normal. They don't know how the economy should be, how diplomacy should be, anything. They just heard Trump saying Biden was a pussy, and Biden acted like a pussy, so they believe Trump was the only reliable narrator. It took these people a great deal to overcome it - I heard a lot of younger people saying Trump was the peaceful, anti-war President. Now that they realize that was a lie, other dominoes are falling.

Shifting narrative, it's part of the perpetual political swing.

Shit is always going to suck, and people have attention spans that last maybe 3 years at the most. Shit is sucking right now, and people are associating that suckiness with the people and faces who appear on their TV.

For further evidence of this very dumb, simple phenomenon, look at 2024 exit polling in the presidential election. Overwhelming results said that average Americans saw eggs and other basic necessity prices skyrocketing and connected that to Biden being in power, so the reaction is to over-correct and pick someone as far from Biden as possible. People weren't thinking about policy, people don't watch news or listen to debates. People get their information from 30 minutes of Facebook memes every sunday night while getting ready for bed.

That's almost certainly because somewhere in your life, someone taught you Critical Thinking Skills, and you can recognize bullshit propaganda almost instantly.

Learning Critical Thinking Skills is as important as learning to read, and basic math. Conservatives hate it, because it interferes with their propaganda, and are trying to ban it from the public school curriculum (even though it's heavily stressed in private schools, because it's an essential leadership skill).

Just be wary and remember that those behind these moves are not necessarily democrat or republican. They have contingency plans for whatever party is in power, and they will attempt different strategies that may be designed to work on you.

The atomization of our perspectives is what allowed the cancer to metastasize.

Most people don't browse forums, most people don't read news stories, most people don't fact-check or watch debates or listen to pundits talk for more than 3 minutes.

This should normally lead to rapidly shifting political landscapes, but we're all being a carefully cultivated feed of validating and self-affirming information that makes people feel a lack of involvement and urgency. You see it right here on Lemmy, people are reposting all the pandering news site bullshit every day "Trump and MAGA is collapsing!" "Trump HUMILIATED by latest release!" "GOP is crashing and people are fleeing the sinking ship!"

For every headline like that you read, people who lean right are seeing the exact opposite. And since we've all isolated ourselves from social connection, we don't see how atomized our worlds are, we just assume everyone is seeing the same headlines and it makes us complacent.

They made a mistake in their first big election, and now many seem to realize how fucked over they were. That will stick with them for LIFE, and many will never trust the right for the rest of their lives.

Don't forget, many were voting at 18/19, only knowing life in their hometown. In 2028, many will be graduating from college, and they'll have had a much wider experience with other people and ideas, and won't tolerate MAGA bullshit as easily, especially when they recognize that MAGA policies are intended to oppress them for the rest of their lives.

Any 22 year old who’s upset about taxes is very very clearly being manipulated

So far, the Gen Zs that have entered Congress, like Max Frost, have been spectacularly successful. We need a lot more of them in government. They know they have the rare opportunity to steer America in an entirely new direction, and they are ready to go to WAR over it.

I'll take ANY Gen Z over that cowardly bitch Schmuck Schumer, any day.