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[–] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Something doesn't click, Russia has a RAIL line to the DPRK, a holdover from the USSR.

I call BS on the "for North Korea". They'd stick it on a train and have secure passage through their own territory.

It's more likely they were smuggling parts anywhere else that they don't have land access to.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Perhaps the parts were too large to transfer by rail?

[–] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If thats the case, they also have the artic pass, going through the north sea.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Not in winter, large parts of that route are frozen currently.

[–] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Then what is 6 months to a likely decades long development?

And that's with the assumption the parts are "too big" to be carried via rail.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno, I'm just guessing here. Perhaps doing it via the ghost fleet offers more plausible deniability? Or it may be more secretive in general since doing it via rail is a bit more publicly visible. Or maybe the parts need to go to some other part of NK that isn't connected via this rail line, and doing it this way is faster over the whole trip? The connection with Russia uses a different gauge than the rest of NK, might add some planning complications too.

[–] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Spanish rescue units responded and found the ship heavily tilted. The captain claimed mechanical failure, but hull damage showed signs of an external strike consistent with a supercavitating torpedo

Kinda just left that hanging out there.

[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 3 points 1 day ago

I feel like that bit was obvious from the headline. Imperial "Ghost ship" with nuclear parts for other authoritarian regime sinks. No way it was an accident or we probably wouldn't have heard about it.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

A distress signal followed on December 23. Spanish rescue units responded and found the ship heavily tilted. The captain claimed mechanical failure, but hull damage showed signs of an external strike consistent with a supercavitating torpedo.

Spy shit? War shit? Both shit?

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 7 points 2 days ago

As far as I'm concerned for Russia: "Eat shit."

Don't care who did it or why, other than to give them a round of applause and buy them a beer.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Leaving North Koreans without electricity isn't good shit actually, US + EU sanctions kill half a million people yearly. How many innocent civilians will be left without access to energy as a consequence?

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Im sure NK was totally going to use a reactor built for nuclear submarines for.... civilian use, even though they annouced building a nuclear submarine a few months ago.

Oh, my bad, I assumed it was for civilian use.

[–] barnacul@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Russia is the only country with supercavitating torpedoes. However, the damage they cause wouldn't be any different than a conventional torpedo.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah I don't see how the blast damage would indicate the torpedoes propulsion type. Which makes me question the rest of the details.

[–] clucose@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So, somebody knows about those ships and is capable of sinking them. Why are not more sunk?

That seems as if it would slow the progress of getting the parts to North Korea.

[–] 20cello@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

They didn't even bother covering those containers...what a bunch of incompetent fucks

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why? This is reactor parts,not a bomb. That's electricity for thousands/millions of people.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reactors can also be used to produce plutonium for bombs. The North Korean regime isn't that concerned with the comfort and health of its people.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They have bombs, for fucks sake! What they need for weapons systems is missiles. Reactor parts aren't missile parts, AFAIK.

not that concerned

No but not completely unconcerned! Its useful for their grip on power and PR wins.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The reactor parts according the article were VM-4SG models. The same used by russian nuclear submarines. Dont take a genius to assume NK is planning on building nuclear submarines to load'em with nuclear missiles.

Oh and the other fact they already annouced just that.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe. Why not just send them a fucking submarine and do a few retrofits? Much easier to transport.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Submarines are sealed units. You can't really retrofit them. If it doesn't fit through a hatch, you have to cut the hull, which can create a weakness when it's under pressure.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because a submarine is much more expensive than reactor parts? I dont think NK has 800million dollars to give russia. Plus, NK would love nothing more than boast about their own nuclear submarine.

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can afford new but not cold war hand-me-downs?

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Does russia have spare surplus? Pretty sure they scrapped everything thats not in active duty.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's one murderous regime helping out another murderous regime for helping murdering innocent people in an illegal war.

one murderous regime

Yep

another murderous regime

Also yes!

helping out

With probably-civilian electrification. I want this to happen.

for helping murder

Yep! And that's done and the regime should be killed for it. They probably already have electricity though. I'm sure the palace is wired the fuck up.