Anyone who has ever spoken the phrase ad hominem has used it to mean "you insulted me so you're wrong" without even realizing that an ad hominem fallacy is when someone says you're wrong BECAUSE of the thing they're insulting you for. Saying your argument is wrong because you're stupid is an ad hominem, saying you're wrong and you're stupid is just an insult

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)

lots of people think that argument fallacies are there like a sport rule where if you're not nice and you break them then you'll get points deducted.

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

Wow yeah this is exactly how it feels. I hadn't been able to put that into words. It's the projection of the general "rules on how games work" back onto the society that created the rules.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

Thank you for being the debate nerd with that observation instead of me. It never seemed to play when deployed in context back in my even libber days.

[–] deforestgump@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

Heh, listen kiddo, I used the magic "win the argument" words, which means you have to agree with me. You should feel honoured that I had to use 100% of my power to defeat you though. Most aren't that lucky. smuglord

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

I feel like I just saw such a conversation the other day somewhere on here

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My favourite thing about people crying about ad hominem is that they're usually wrong. An ad hominem isn't a fancy way of saying "insult", its a logical fallacy where you tie the quality of a person to their argument. Saying "you're dumb" isn't an ad hominem.
I love explaining that to dumbasses because it makes them seem even more dumbassey