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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/42070722

A masked guy breaks down your door w/o an Article III warrant absent exigent circumstances? Yeah, I'd agree. Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.

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[–] Klox@lemmy.world 63 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Every American knows what to do when on that jury.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Unfortunately 40% would do the wrong thing just for a taste of some boot.

Conviction requires 100%

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Only takes one to cause a hung jury. Rinse and repeat.

[–] bishoponarope@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't ask those people to starve, they can't eat anything else but boot, clearly.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

they lick it the leather off it.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Local laws may vary but defense of others is typically seen as valid too. Imminent threat of nighttime home invasion is probably in a textbook as the obvious example of when a reasonable and capable person may intervene.

Masked armed thugs stacking up on your neighbor's door? Tally ho, motherfucker.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Tally ho, motherfucker

A good day to own a cannon, for self-defense. As the founding fathers intended.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

See, now, I went with a spear for personal home defense. Best weapon for the average idiot, you know.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

pauses claymore setup am I going too far?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

and RPG, and a couple of mines.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Highlander 2077

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

That actually is illegal, assuming you aren't home. If you aren't home (and thus not in danger from home invaders), then setting up booby traps in your house doesn't count as self defense

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

They make it an easy shot for sure

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Note, the law usually specifies defense of the innocent.

Even minor charges against the person you’re defending could complicate your legal case.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thats what the jury is for

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Juries that are notoriously well known for trusting cops and police testimony.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

Maybe a little less soon....

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But if they're not available for testimony...

You think every member of the Union won’t be up there on the stand to cry about how great a guy he was?

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It'd be complicated, sure, but that's a drop in the much larger bucket of a case. What does a reasonable person know or believe at the moment of the perceived danger though? Won't rule it out but can't see a courtroom conclusion stating that I should have hopped on my computer to do a background check first. I do have evidence of a murderous gang of terrorists targeting people (citizen or otherwise) on American soil, however, and they like to dress up in an imitation of police gear.

Don’t get me wrong, morally you’re almost certainly justified.

It’s just that historically self defense or defense of others claims on killing a law enforcement officer are a huge uphill battle in the courts.

It’s extremely rare for a court to find killing an officer justified.

[–] HonorableScythe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Arizona with a W rn, look at that

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But is it Arizonaw or Warizona?

NoncredibleDefense votes for Warizona

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Not only will they shoot back, more of them will show up quickly. This would not end in court for you, methinks.

Do the right thing and not have to go to court? But what's the downside?

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

As the black panther said, be more than them and carry bigger guns

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

'you won't win, so why even bother trying'

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

Seems like they’d kill you anyways

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

So does the 4th and 2nd amendment