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[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 125 points 9 months ago

It's because people want to imagine themselves as a hero, engaging in one on one combat. A knight or samurai.

They don't want to imagine themselves as a barely trained serf in a block with 30 other people holding 3m long pikes trying not to shit yourself as arrows start to rain down.

[-] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

Shit, even in one on one martial combat, give me range and I'll take it. Knife < Sword < Spear < Bow

[-] deeznutz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 9 months ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < trebuchet

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 17 points 9 months ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < trebuchet

[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < trebuchet < arbalists thrown by trebuchets

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[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Just don't miss with the crossbow...

[-] blackluster117@possumpat.io 3 points 9 months ago

Knife < sword < spear < bow < crossbow < WA 2000 < trebuchet

[-] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 4 points 9 months ago

The most elegant weapon.

[-] Umbrias@beehaw.org 8 points 9 months ago

By the time of 3m pikes most infantry would be receiving pretty decent training.

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 105 points 9 months ago

It was only folded so many times because the ore on Honshu is pretty low grade and had to have the carbon worked out of it more than European steel.

[-] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 52 points 9 months ago

Wait, you mean it's not because it gives me the ability to part steel plate in a single slash?

[-] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

You only get that when you fold it 69 times.

[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wow you must be a novice if you still need to slash. A true bushido master can cut steel without unsheathing the blade.

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[-] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago

As I understand it, it wasn't to work the carbon out of it, but instead to simply evenly spread the impurities throughout the whole sword, so there weren't any specific points of weakness

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Obligatory "It wasn't folded 1000 times, it was folded 11 times giving it more than a thousand folds." Fun fact, the older traditional Japanese forges were basically assembled from mud found right there on the rivers where they found their low grade iron, and this process was kept alive by spiritualism and tradition conservatives, so it's honestly a miracle they assembled anything long and sharp at all. Most of the iron in Japan is considered low grade Pyrite at only 46% iron, while other places in the world had access to Magnetite with up to 72% iron before any refining.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Traditional tomahogonany is still made in small quantities in mud furnaces.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 68 points 9 months ago

Long stick > any other melee weapon

[-] Narrrz@kbin.social 74 points 9 months ago

the bow and arrow is just a logical extension of mankind's desire to poke each other at ever longer range.

[-] rockerface@lemm.ee 59 points 9 months ago

The natural wish to poke but not get poked back

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

rock->spear->bow and arrow->cannon->handheld cannon->auto-repeating handheld cannon->howitzer->ICBM->Predator drone

[-] Shurimal@kbin.social 12 points 9 months ago

->relativistic kill vehicle.

You see it coming, omae wa mou shindeiru.

Only thing more scary would be triggering a vacuum decay event. But these tend to backfire quite spectacularly.

[-] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Orbital weapons platforms fit in there somewhere.

[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 months ago

Gotta have that reach.

[-] explodicle@local106.com 5 points 9 months ago

Aliens see us as the water balloon planet.

[-] empireOfLove@lemmy.one 59 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This just in- being able to hurt your enemy from farther away than they can hurt you conveys a large tactical advantage. More at 11.

[-] workerONE@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

I think a shield and sword together are better than a spear https://youtu.be/uLLv8E2pWdk?si=vXiyUTTnSbIq-vC8

[-] lud@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago

Wait until you hear about Spears with shields.

[-] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 months ago
[-] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Ancient Greek and Rome used them quite a lot, as I know.

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[-] norgur@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 9 months ago

Even for all who had swords, their primary assault weapon was usually some form of pointy murder stick, usually handheld and horse-propelled

[-] Tankton@lemm.ee 25 points 9 months ago

The sword is the pistol of ancient times whereas the sprear is the assault rifle.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

That analogy bothers me more than it should because pistols are generally cheaper than assault rifles (but I get your point)

[-] yaminoEXE@ttrpg.network 37 points 9 months ago

Chinese Soldiers: “What if we put a sword on a stick and call it a day?”

[-] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 14 points 9 months ago

It isn't folded 1000 times, only about 10 times.

[-] GorgeousWalrus@feddit.de 41 points 9 months ago

In fairness, this would give you 1024 layers ;)

[-] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 6 points 9 months ago

That's the point. The number of layers is over 1000.

[-] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 7 points 9 months ago

Sir, your fedora is showing

But really, its a sword not noodles (which are folded when made by hand)

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Superior Japanese noodles, folded over 1000 times.

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 10 points 9 months ago

You need to arm 100 guys? 100 spears is a lot cheaper and easier to train than 100 swords.

[-] bi_tux@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago
[-] misterundercoat@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

That dude from the Office?

[-] TomAwsm@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Identity theft is not a joke, Jim!

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[-] Szwajcer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago

Present in very many cultures as well. Be it called yari, ji, iklwa or sarissa they are all long pokey sticks.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sharpening a stick regardless of length is probably one of the easiest ways to get a weapon

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

pokes oh hey didn't see you from all the way over here.

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