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I work in a blue collar field related to fossil fuels (sorry, I'm just another totally innocent death star worker). At a recent meeting one of our bosses mentioned that our "market" (i.e., the county we work in) has 20,000 customers paying the company. I guessed that each customer is paying somewhere around $100/month when you factor in fossil fuel deliveries + service to their dogshit fossil fuel burners (there is no such thing as a good fossil fuel burner).

So 20,000 x 100 = $2,000,000 per month.

Divide by roughly 50 employees (generous estimate) = $40,000 per employee per month, assuming each employee does roughly the same amount of necessary labor.

I heard long ago that good capitalists devote one third of "earnings," i.e, gross surplus labor, to profit, one third to overhead, and the last third to labor. I know this isn't always necessarily true, but let's just assume that one third of that $40,000 per month is going toward buying supplies / paying taxes / doing upkeep on vehicles / anything else that can be considered overhead.

$40,000 / 3 = $13,333

$40,000 - $13,333 = $26,667 for profit and labor per employee per month.

I work about 20 days per month. $26667 / 20 = $1333 per day, nearly $200 per hour of labor. This is what I would presumably be making if the business were a worker co-op, all other things being equal. They currently pay me $25/hr, which is the median salary in the USA and only enough to tread water at best without my spouse's income. (My spouse has a union and makes two or three times as much money as I do, and her union sucks, but a shitty union is way better than none at all.) So basically, the company owners are stealing about 90% of my earnings from me.

I have mentioned unionizing to many of my coworkers. (White males do delivery and service, while about eight white women and about five white guys work in the office.) Maybe one coworker expressed interest in unionizing, and that was after I had been working alongside him and propagandizing the fuck out of him for like a month. The rest were pretty much not interested. Isn't this great?

The company also spans multiple states and many counties within these states, so the owners are stealing something like tens of millions of dollars from their workers per month, and that's not counting the cost of environmental destruction and the fact that they're probably pumping a lot of this money into the genocide industry.

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[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Isn't 33% profit margin an extremely high margin?

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Overheads are likely low too. Everything costs more, vehicles and their upkeep, fuel, commercial rent is even more out of control than residential (small business is basically doomed to fail in most places unless you own the building or can do it from home, just another way landlord leeches are destroying community building and enrichment).

Despite both of these being true OP is still right, it’s just that the true number is probably not as dramatic (but still quite significant).

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

Oh yeah they are obviously getting scammed, just in a less outrageous way

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Maybe. This is just something I heard once. I posted this here for critique so…

Edit: looks like 30% is pretty high but basically the goal if you’re a business owner.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 3 points 2 days ago

The working assumption, in normal business, is profit should be higher 1.5-2x of operating expenses multiplied by interest rates (or you would just buy bonds instead, at 5-7% per year, instead of dicking around), so margins in competitive industries hover around 10-20, very rarely at 3-5 if it’s volume type business, but apple with 35% margin is unusual for making stuff company. Depending on capital penetration your exploitation can be a lot with those numbers (if say 80% goes to amortization/running costs), or not a lot, if it’s the other way around. I would suggest charming an accountant or finding some disclosure form