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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In 2024, a team of Chinese researchers ventured to the bottom of this deep Pacific trench. Inside a manned submersible, they descended into the abyss—and what they found defied expectations.

Instead of a barren, lifeless seafloor, they encountered a rich ecosystem: thousands of tube worms (some over a foot long), alongside mollusks, crustaceans, and even sea cucumbers.

Although scientists knew that microbes could thrive at these depths, they struggled to imagine that larger species could survive there.

How do these creatures survive in such an alien environment? The secret lies in a process known as chemosynthesis.

Unlike most organisms on Earth, which rely on sunlight for photosynthesis, these deep-sea inhabitants get their energy from chemicals like methane and carbon leaking through cracks in the ocean floor. It’s a harsh but sustainable system—built on chemistry, not sunlight.

Very cool. One of the most fascinating parts about this is the implications it has for the possibility of life in the dark oceans under the surface of the moons of Jupiter.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Indeed, I think it's almost certain myself. Life is just an efficient solution for resolving the available energy gradients, and if those exist in other places then we should expect similar processes to take hold.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, I've always thought it's very probable to find some microbial life there. This find would suggest perhaps even something more complex.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Given time life tends to complexify, there's some interesting research actually suggesting that self-organization and growing complexity might be an inevitable solution.

There's a recent hypothesis that any system comprising many diverse parts and operating in an environment that selects for certain functions will evolve toward states of increasing functional information. In other words, it will become increasingly complex and heterogeneous. And the study argues that it's not just biological systems that are subject to evolutionary processes, but any physical systems with these properties. There's also some fascinating research happening with simulations, like Game of Life, where emergent complexity and self-organization end up emerging all on their own.

This study found that when a cellular grid is subjected to selective pressure for a certain function, particles organize into stable, propagating structures, such as gliders, which support the desired logical operations. Coherent information-carrying entities emerge across the spatial grid, and as these travelling objects collide with one another, they perform elementary logical operations as a result of their interactions. Computation emerges as the evolutionary answer to the problem of coordination and communication across a spatially distributed system.

Another study provides the link to move the system from isolated particles to structured complexity. The research shows how self-replicating hierarchical entities form out of random particle arrangements. Unlike the simple gliders which merely traverse the grid, these complex entities contain and propagate the information needed to reproduce themselves. They embody a sort of digital DNA. Rather than being monolithic blocks, replicators are organized out of discrete interacting parts, each doing its own specific job.

Evolution in a digital medium proceeds along a recursive path, with simple particles aggregating to form primitive logic gates, and these gates clustering to form replicators. Over time, groups of these entities could aggregate and cooperate, forming the complex memory and processing units that are able to do universal computation.

This study shows there is no need to program any specific end goal either. When random programs are introduced into a sufficiently complex environment without a clear fitness landscape, the system will nonetheless generate self-replicators. They emerge from a combination of sheer chance and a predisposition of certain code-fragments toward interaction and self-modifying potential. Once the first replicator appears, there arises a natural tendency toward greater structural and functional complexity because replication provides both the material and the selective pressure for further evolution.

These studies demonstrate how a simple system driven by a steady external energy source, can extract complexity from simplicity. Whether it's the sun or some different energy source, the underlying mechanic is the same. With sufficient iterations, these simple principles force a phase transition in the nature of the system, so that a number of alterations coalesce to form organized structures. It's a process of quantity transforming into quality.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Sure. But it's one thing to have the theory and simulations, another to have real empirical confirmation. At the end of the day, every scientific theory no matter how rigorous it appears on paper has to be verified against reality.

There's just something really satisfying about having a real physical confirmation.

Like, almost no one in physics really doubted that black holes would eventually be confirmed observationally after general relativity was validated in 1919. But it was still very nice to actually get real measurements of one, after a century of only modeling them in theory.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh absolutely, having actual confirmation of life having evolved independently in another place would be a monumental discovery. And if we see life appear in two places in our own solar system, that pretty much guarantees that it is a common phenomenon.

That said, my view is that there's no fundamental difference between life expressed in a physical substrate or an artificial one. It's the same process operating in different environments.

[–] VladimirLimeMint@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Wait so Lysenko is accidentally correct that the triggers of evolution is just external material conditions holy shit

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, that's always been the understanding of evolution since Darwin, no? Natural selection for adaptation to environmental pressures and changing conditions.

[–] VladimirLimeMint@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I got trashed on reddit for explaining genetic evolution is influenced by material conditions and not because someone born stupid or inferior gene in my critiques of Yugopnik race science tweet.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Your first mistake was arguing with people on Reddit. Nothing good happens on a CIA controlled platform.

[–] narr1@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Yes, all of this is extremely interesting. But I am not enjoying this growing revelation of what seems to be that most parts of the earth covered by water are actually covered by a layer of slime and a whole slime-based ecosystem devoid of sunlight. Which kinda reminds me of some past sinks I've had :D

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Is it the bar? Did we finally find it??

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wonder what the lowest point is at which life can be found.. Watching documentaries like Blue Planet and seeing the wierd types of life that exists in deep sea in crisp high definition is mind boggling.