To know how or why a specific miracle is forged you need information about that specific claim, the testing done on it, by whom, and how the samples were collected and transported.
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I used to be Catholic. Every Sunday, they performed the transubstantiation on the hosts and the wine. Every Sunday, I subjected both to analysis by one of the most sensitive chemical sensing device in the world.
Every week, it came back as Styrofoam and wine. Never once was it meat or blood.
Dont bother just walk away.
I didn't see you link any of your sources, but I'll bite:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11882681/
https://www.forensicscijournal.com/index.php/jfsr/article/view/jfsr-aid1068
Also:
For example, in 2006, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas gave over a Eucharist host that turned red while in a glass for the analysis by two University of Dallas biology professors who concluded it was naturally explicable, as Bishop Charles Victor Grahmann wrote that "… the object is a combination of fungal mycelia and bacterial colonies that have been incubated within the aquatic environment of the glass during the four-week period in which it was stored in the open air.
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharistic_miracle#Scientific_analysis_of_flesh_and_blood_miracles
I got that off the first page of a DDG search (no AI) for: eucharistic miracles study nih
Please do not reply. Or at least try to sound like less of a troll in any reply to me than in the rest of your posts in this thread.
Thank you. I don't know why I was mistaken for a troll.
This is indeed what I asked for and it works just fine as a debunk.
You answered your own question: all the "evidence" is provided by the church itself. You haven't found any independent, peer-reviewed evidence.
I can say I opened a can of tomato sauce and tests showed it to be type AB blood. Doesn't mean you should believe me, even if I spread it to lots of websites.
Yes but some of the scientists they got to study it were atheists (though one later converted) and they'd have to go along with the lie.
If it were the church saying they studied it themselves that'd be one thing. But the scientists they hired were not of the vatican.
Did the information that they were atheists come from the church? Also, did the experiments carefully make sure that the wine was not switched out for blood in the test? You gotta think like James Randi here.
The blood came from a living heart and was the rarest blood type, AB Positive. This was consistent in every "miracle", so unless the Vatican had blood from that overly specific criteria in large amounts just sitting around a switch seems unlikely.
If it wasn't the same blood type each time and from a very specific region of the body, that might be more obvious an answer.
And I'd rather not think like a guy with high school education who got Kicked out of a skeptical organization he helped found for being bad at the scientific method
Seriously Randi is overrated and he served as the science advisor on the False Memory Foundation.... which was an organization that gaslit rape victims into thinking they suffered a fake syndrome that causes them to form false traumatic memories.
Susan Blackmore is a much better person to look up to
Again: I can say a can of tomato sauce tested as AB positive blood.
There was no actual study and wine did not actually turn into blood.
And the Vatican had nothing to do with it.
Ordinary people spread lies in order to convince others to believe in their church. That's all this is.
Thanks for the laugh I needed that today. Did you try running your question through catholic gpt?
I'm not sure what I did was amusing. I am asking for help debunking because I can only find catholic resources talking about it.
I'd like to see what skeptics have to say but I can't find anything. Hence why I'm asking for assistance.
Why would I ask another Catholic source if my problem is I can't find a non-catholic source?
We are skeptics. We are telling you. It's all bullshit. It doesn't even come from the Catholic church, it comes from folks who make up stories to try and convince others their religion is real.
Apparently it was a mold that false positived as blood