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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Sources: Gloria Steinem, New York Times (1967); Redstockings press release and research report (1975); The Village Voice (May 21, 1979); Frances Stonor Saunders, The Cultural Cold War (1999); Daniel Brandt, NameBase/Portland

It's kinda fucked that they link to Wikipedia all throughout this article, but the real primary source material has zero links.

Kinda kills your credibility.

Would it be too much to upload your primary source material to archive.org and link to it?

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 9 hours ago

Good article, but the photos really need captions explaining who is in the images

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how feminism can mean equality for all when all of us have a billionaire problem.

[–] dandylion@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago

intersectional feminism

[–] jambudz@lemmy.zip 79 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Gloria Steinem was paid $20k to speak/q&a at my school by an alumni committee and it was an hour of students just tearing her to shreds about what a money grubbing POS she was. It was great.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You paid her to bash her? I bet she left with a smug smile

[–] jambudz@lemmy.zip 18 points 9 hours ago

Alumni paid her to come (à la Meryl Streep and her ilk) and students were extremely upset.

[–] bruzzard@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago

Looks like the link has some sharing metadata that should have been removed before sharing. This bit is completely unnecessary to access the article. Please edit it out.

?r=1t17zr&showWelcomeOnShare=true

And the link written this way works better methinks. https://hrnews1.substack.com/p/feminist-icon-gloria-steinem-was

[–] thlibos@thelemmy.club 33 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Feminists of the 70s did not give two fucks about intersectionality or helping the oppressed...they only cared about white women getting the same slice of the pie as white men.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

White feminists*

Black feminists wanted to talk about class and racism, it's just the media didn't give them a microphone to talk about it...

[–] thlibos@thelemmy.club 9 points 14 hours ago
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 14 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

she seems more anti-feminist than feminist, like how TERFs are.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

Ya it's an effect of the passage of time, that's why we label the 3 waves of feminism in America. the movement got broader and more inclusive as the years went on. Which upset some of the older feminists like JK Rowling who refused the memo of equality for all.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Continuing the tradition. The suffragette movement was tied to the civil rights movement. Until the white patriarchy promised white women the right to vote if they dumped the civil rights movement. Then the white women went "fyigm" and helped keep Jim Crow alive.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

It's amazing how a large movement can achieve half its goals and then pull up the ladder on the other half isn't it?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago

hmmm....this sounds very familiar.... where have I heard of this type of person before....

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 90 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When Ramparts broke the story in 1967, Steinem confirmed her role to The New York Times without apology, describing the CIA as “liberal, nonviolent and honorable” and stating she would do it again.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Can we just talk about Rampart please?

That's all I can think of when I hear rampart

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago

Haha, what?

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Abstract expressionism (ie modern art) was actually pushed by the CIA as well (source), though the motivation in this case is murkier

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Not really? Soviets were pushing hyper-realism so the US government funded the opposite

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 1 points 4 hours ago

I always thought Suprematism was what the Soviets were pushing, now I read the wiki article and it seems it was not, and Socialist realism was, and I guess it was the hyper-realism you talk about?

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I didn’t know that. Either way it seems a bit odd that the CIA would care so deeply about matters of artistic taste 

[–] Archer@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

They didn’t. It was about opposing the Soviets everywhere more than anything

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

A foolish strategy. It means you allow your opponent to limit you. People who like hyper realism would have no option but Soviet art.

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 3 points 10 hours ago

It’s also a stupid strategy because modern art is pretty dumb (I know I might get hate for this but lets be real guys)

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Yes but the extent to which they'd go to oppose the Soviets even on trivial matters seems silly

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago

Sounds like something a communist would say, take 'em away boys

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Unless you lived in that era it's really hard to imagine how the reds lived in the imagination of every American. if you're old enough to remember the war culture during the start of Iraq/Afghanistan. it was like that on steroids. 50 years of Cold War means a couple generations were completely consumed by it. The cold war nostalgia tour didn't end until the "terrorists are every where" tour began.

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 2 points 10 hours ago

I’m not old enough to remember the first one and I’m not American so I was never really caught up in the second one, so it is genuinely hard for me to understand why the CIA cared so deeply about Soviet artistic preferences that they conducted psyops to oppose them. I’m not doubting that it happened, it just seems bizarre to me

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why do humans suck so much?

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 15 hours ago

Primate heritage.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Short sightedness

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)