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[-] Rottcodd@kbin.social 120 points 9 months ago

It's never been about the money.

The Republicans and their grifters want Putin to win. It's just that simple.

[-] Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago

And they want more tax cuts (until barely anything can be funded).

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 66 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"The war is cheap in terms of American lives" is a right wing, nationalist sentiment. "American" lives dont have any more value than any other lives.

[-] elint@programming.dev 38 points 9 months ago

Sure, but the American government's entire point is to collect American taxes and provide benefits for Americans. To minimize monetary cost and maximize benefit to American lives is exactly what it should be doing.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Wait, are you telling me that nations are oriented around nationalism?

This is why I'm for stateless global communism

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[-] mkwt@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago

It looks to me like this war is pretty cheap on both American lives, and on the American taxpayers' pocketbook.

[-] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago

It's almost like the real reason they are against aid for Ukraine is that they just parrot whatever their media outlets put out, and they put out being against aid for Ukraine because they want Russia to win and they want lower taxes and reduced regulation for themselves. It's almost like conservatives are really fucking gullible so long as you pretend you're on their side and point at somebody for them to blame.

[-] Changetheview@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

The weirdest part to me is how “support the troops” is always a priority for most in the group opposing Ukrainian support. In fact, military support is usually so critical that they can set aside many of their primary targets of small government and fiscal responsibility.

I get that this isn’t the “our” troops they usually chant about, but it easily could be, especially if Russia continues its aggressive action. It doesn’t seem that it’s that hard to understand that if you’re willing to give the US military nearly a trillion dollars, it isn’t a bad idea to give support to a country actively fighting against this threat.

I guess it really does just come down to people convinced that Russia is somehow not a threat to the US, even though the leaders of “our troops” feel differently.

https://news.usni.org/2021/08/18/russia-is-top-military-threat-to-u-s-homeland-air-force-general-says

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[-] KnowledgeableNip@leminal.space 9 points 9 months ago

"Well clearly I can't be held responsible for my life's problems, it must be the fault of disenfranchised minorities."

[-] Syndic@feddit.de 10 points 9 months ago

And pretty profitable for the military complex which finally is used for a good cause. Didn't these republicans receive their yearly lobby cheque?

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[-] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 9 months ago

Your current crop of Republicans don't really care about the US or American values - they want to live in a Margret Attwood novel.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago

“It’s not rape if it’s for America”

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The war is cheap in all terms (expect Ukrainian's). I believe most of the dollar numbers you see includes equipment value when they were going to be scrapped anyway. The accountants have to give it a fair dollar value, but in practical terms it's zero.

[-] Powerpoint@lemmy.ca 39 points 9 months ago

Any Republican against giving aid to Ukraine is essentially a Russian asset.

[-] sysadmin420@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago
[-] LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

It's the same picture

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 24 points 9 months ago

One has to be a truly deplorable piece of human garbage to say “The war is cheap in terms of American lives”. This is basically an admission that Americans don't give a fuck about the lives of Ukrainians and re cynically using them as a proxy to fight Russia. Americans continue to expose themselves as the scum of the earth that they are.

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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago

Crazy idea, how about we have a few years where we aren't involved in some war?

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Wouldn't it be nice if all these tyrants like Putin would just stay in their own homes...?

If only it were that simple to look the other way from your neighbor getting attacked and raped.

As if such persons ever stop after their first successful house...

[-] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 9 months ago

Oh man, maybe if there was some agreeement between Russia and Ukraine that avoided war, it could even be negotiated in a third country, maybe in Minsk? That could have been a great way to avoid war, too bad nothing like that happened. Imagine if NATO even broke such treaty? Would be too far fetched even Call of Duty haha

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