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As speculation mounts that Kim Jong-un and Trump could meet this month, analysts say Pyongyang will continue to see nuclear weapons as a matter of survival

North Korea’s launch last week of a missile from a naval destroyer elicited an uncharacteristically prosaic analysis from the country’s leader, Kim Jong-un. The launch was proof, he said, that arming ships with nuclear weapons was “making satisfactory progress”.

But the test, and Kim’s mildly upbeat appraisal, were designed to reverberate well beyond the deck of the 5,000-tonne destroyer-class vessel the Choe Hyon – the biggest warship in the North Korean fleet.

His pointed reference to nuclear weapons was made as the US and Israel continued their air bombardment of Iran – a regime Donald Trump had warned, without offering evidence, was only weeks away from having a nuclear weapon.

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[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 5 points 9 hours ago

The Security Dilemma: Any steps a state takes to protect itself also threatens their neighbours who can't tell if those actions are purely defensive or if they might be used for an offensive war.

In the Realism interpretation, this necessarily produces an arms race: The neighbours also need to increase their own safety, in turn threatening the first state, who then needs to...

WMDs and nuclear deterrence are the escalation of that dilemma. By raising the potential cost of an attack war to the level of annihilation, this leverages the most fundamental state objective (securing its own survival) to deter from ever attacking (at least one paper; war and diplomacy never turn out quite as the theory might imagine).

Idealism would instead trust in mutual understanding between states, that this arms race will produce pointless cost for all parties, which might be better invested in infrastructure and trade to make all parties more prosperous. Which also sounds nice on paper, but greed, ego and military industrial ~~corruption~~ "lobby" are working hard to separate us.

Remember, you've got more in common with a working-class American, Russian, Ukrainian, Chinese, North Korean, Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian or any other other country than you do with billionaires or the leaders working so hard to spread hate and division and turn us on each other. We do what we must to protect ourselves, but we must not forget that the guy on the other side is just as much a victim.

Until we can make that unity a reality, it unfortunately does seem that nukes are a critical component in any state's security strategy.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 23 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Not just north Korea, the whole world can see what happened to Ukrain after they gave up their nukes in exchange for a protection deal, mutually assured destruction is the only way to keep your country safe

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago

Yes, not holding up that deal was the worst move in modern US diplomatic history. The Doomsday Clock was moved from 100 seconds to midnight up to 90 seconds to midnight because of it. The message is VERY clear: you will only be protected or respected if you can launch nukes.

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

That had to be the biggest takeaway every country had to have gotten over the last couple of years.

[–] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 9 points 16 hours ago

reinforce North Korea's view

I think you mean conclusively prove North Korea's view to be correct

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah, they've already figured that out.

[–] Bazell@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago

We live in times, when if you don't have a weapon of mass destruction, you cannot be safe. This is like having a gun in neighborhood.

[–] HaveAnotherTacoPDX@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Shit, Trump's illegal Iran war convinces me pretty strongly that a nuclear weapons program is the only way to keep my fucking apartment secure from the despotic motherfucker. Kick in my door and millions go boom, bitch!

…that sounds ridiculous, and it is! But that's the kind of world this sadistic, brain-rotted buffoon is trying to create. And for some reason Republicans seem to think that's just great! Less than two dozen of them could end this nightmare if they cared. But they don't. How many more are going to die for these bastards?

[–] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well the UN definetly isnt guaranteeing it. Who can blame the north Koreans and others for having nukes as deterrence?

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The UN was never a guarantor of peace. It was an effort to provide a forum for diplomacy to facilitate peaceful solutions, created in a time where international relations were much more fragmented.

Diplomacy can never prevent war, only ever seek to avoid it, and that's what the UN is for. It's not any member's extended army to enforce their idea of peace. That's why the great powers got veto rights: to prevent weaponising it.

This isn't on the UN. It's on the aggressors that start wars and prove that you cannot trust in international goodwill and a shared desire for peace.

[–] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The great powers got veto rights for them to participate at all in it and for them to be able to do as they please in the future. I don't think "weaponising" is the correct framing because from the point of view of probably pretty much everyone else other than them (and of course even for them when it comes to the other ones) it would absolutely be a good thing if the UN was able to limit their actions too. The people who came up with the whole concept of international law certainly would not have preferred this situation where the law is not the same for everyone, it's against the basic principles of rule of law.

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