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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

Colonizer mindset.

[–] Cattail@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

There are parts where no one has gone, but landing on a barren rock probably isn't a good story

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm struggling to come up with an example of them landing on a barren rock and anything neutral or positive happening. It's almost always bad

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Well, sure - the times it turned out fine don't make for an interesting story!

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago

I mean, isn't this basically what every European did in the Americas and Africa?

Columbus: "Look, I'm the first human being ever to set foot here!"

200 Taíno people staring at him wondering WTF was going on

Columbus: "Look, I planted a flag, that way if anyone else ever comes here, they'll know this is Spanish land now."

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

They said no "one". They can go places as long as there are many things there.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Just watched an episode where they literally went to a section of space completely absent of all energy and matter and still somehow met this

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I scrolled down and I was jumpscared by this. XD

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well, it was supposed to be where no 'man' has gone before, but people had to whine about it, and here we are.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 6 points 4 hours ago

I'm just realizing that the wording change made humans seem REALLY pretentious!

[–] silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Where no MAN has gone before. Therefore plenty of space chicks

[–] MsFlammkuchen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That was in TOS. They changed it to no one in TNG

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Star Empire vibes, if they're not human they're no one.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 7 points 16 hours ago

Just empire things.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

To be fair, it would be a boring show if they didn’t.

Ship enters orbit of a planet

‘Spock, what do our scans show?’

‘Intense geologic activity, no atmosphere, no life signs.’

Ship spends the next 3 months in orbit collecting data, moves on to the next target

‘Spock, what do our scans show?’

‘Planet is frozen, no geologic activity, no life signs.’

Ship spends the next 3 months in orbit collecting data

Realistic sci fi is waaayyy too boring for a general audience.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

The aliens didn't go there though. They're just there.

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm glad you made this comment because I was about to.

Starfield, a surprisingly great framework for a game from Bethesda, but they forgot to put the actual game inside it

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Todd spent all their time and money making sure the game was utterly impossible to see without a 3000 dollar oled monitor (that LUT was a monstrosity).

[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I fully agree with this, but at the same time I just sort of assume any Bethesda game is gonna require a kind of baseline mod setup just to be comfortably playable, so that almost felt like par for the course to me 😅

More power to them, but I will genuinely never understand how people can play Skyrim or Fallout 4 unmodded or on console. I can see New Vegas unmodded, but that ain't Bethesda anyway.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Unmodded Fallout: New Vegas gameplay

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 1 points 4 hours ago

I did use Neutral LUTs when I tried it, which at least made it not give me a splitting headache, but sadly it did nothing to fix the other issues. I got like 10-15 hours into the main story so I'd like to think I at least gave it a fair shot.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago

Or Mass Effect 2 at times.

Probe launching noise

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I choose to believe that it's usually like that, and we're just seeing the days where something interesting happens.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, it kinda feels like you could do a very ‘boring’ science series just showing all of that. But I feel like that’s just ‘sci’ with no ‘fi’.

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[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 11 points 23 hours ago

I mean it has to be.

They age and have discussions of things we don't physically see.

Talking about the first encounter of the Q being 3 years ago not 1000 episodes ago

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[–] ShaunKL@startrek.website 6 points 18 hours ago

The further we go the more we find ourselves.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 78 points 1 day ago (7 children)

TOS came out at a time when people still talked of Columbus discovering america.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (12 children)

TOS came out at a time when Columbus was still being held in high regard. :)

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[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 20 hours ago

Look, they are trying.
They just keep getting distracted on the way and where overtaken.

[–] lakemalcom@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It was a list:

  • to explore strange new worlds
  • seek out new life and new civilizations
  • boldly go where no one has gone before
[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Boldly yes, but It's been a long road gettin' from there to here.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Should they maybe have put "from Earth" in there?

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I mean the original line was "where no man has gone before" which at least made sense, although it didn't represent the female crew very well.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Yes, it did though. Women, too, are human.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 69 points 1 day ago (9 children)

English uses 'man' and 'mankind' interchangeably.

Grammatically, 'no man' makes more sense than 'no one.'

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (26 children)

I've always thought it was an odd change. I get why they did it, but the original clearly wasn't being used in the way the change implies.

It has the same energy as saying that you can't use the term "whitelist" and must substitute "allowlist", or "master bedroom" to "primary bedroom", or that time they changed "monkeypox" to "m-pox".

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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

As progressive as the show was for its time, it is informed by narratives of the settler imperialism that helped Europeans "conquer the new world".

There's a reason why the show casts space as "the final frontier." The frontier myth and its accompanying ideology of Manifest Destiny still formed the widely accepted version of U.S. history. Not the land-grabbing, genociding, slavery-spreading version we know today.

Bonus thought: Exploring space was obviously a big thing back then so it's understandable how Roddenberry came up with this line. But when you really think about it, time is the final frontier that we haven't managed to break through yet. Not space.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

TBF in the ToS it was ”Where no man has gone before”, not “Where no one has gone before.”

So if it was aliens then the statement was correct, we’d just have to skip all the weird human populated worlds they found.

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[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 points 5 hours ago

No no, they didn't do that until TNG

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